"The higher the number, the softer", means 'less damping' not a softer spring. So, less damping on the same spring, more boing, not less !
What is it you want from your Setup ? Looks like your trying to compensate being oversprung in thr front by loosening up on damping .. 80 at the rear sounds good for the road . . If the front is also 90 nm then you ll have to go 80-85 as well 80 for the road .85 for the track .. 80 can then be adjusted by preload .. And putting more oil in .Damping can then be set to your particular riding area and speed . This should give tempered dive and still enable the forks and shock to do their work : absorbing bumps and keeping the tire on the road ..
That is what I am trying to sort out, front feels fine and stable its the bloody rear but in all honesty I have not had a chance to play with Comp n Rebound since going back to F setting.
What are your current settings for Forks preload / comp / reb Schock preload / comp / reb Track or road ? Average quality of roads .. The pani is very sensitive to small changes . The springs are chosen by weight and speed . The heavier and faster the rider , the heavier the springs . The springs should be able to function well with 4 to 6 mm preload at the front . With the right springs R and c should do the job from -3 to + 3 . Anything more will make the suspension nervous as dive and bouncing back will accelerate..
for any answer to make any sense, could you please describe in some detail what the rear exactly does? dribble? throw you out of the seat? gets light when under braking? pumps on the throttle? push the bike wide? does it affect you under braking or just riding along? where do you ride ? track or Road? bad roads or smooth roads? whats your EBC setting? low or high? High EBC has tendency to lock up the rear when downshifting or coming of the throttle.. to the numbers? I try to understand.. the REAR : You went from 90 F-ixed to 90 P-rogressiv then went from 90P to 80 F? These numbers on the spec sheet is with the 80 F setting? when not on a track , switching from 90P to 80F is almost no change as P softens the 90 up quit dramatically for 65% of its travel.. but over 65% it becomes stiffer.. If they dropped preload on you forks to almost nothing it really is time to go for a 8.0 kg fork spring. Extensively dropping PL drops the bike on its head, impacting the rear as it lifts more easily.. hope this makes any sense...
Riding on the road As said in previous post front end is not causing a problem. The rear also feels very stable in the corners it's the bumps in the road that are a problem it throws me out of the seat. From reading the manual the P setting is for when you are carrying a pillion which suggests as a single rider it would be very hard to compress the spring. Original setup was with 90nm and F setting I reduced the spring to an 80 and changed to p setting and the sag was checked and adjusted. I have now changed to the F setting but to be honest I need to check the sag settings on the bike before I go any further with changing compression and rebound settings
The problem you are going to have is you will never find a setting to suit our terrible roads. I have learned to accept that on certain roads the Panigale will have your fillings out.
front and rear work together... one affects the other... sounds like P might do the job... P is only harder to compress over F after 65% of its travel... it is Progressivly firmer over that but starts out significantly softer.. thats why it may may able to handle the bumps better... if its just one or 2 particular bumps causing the trouble, you may just have to live with those...
When I got my 996 I was amazed how comfortable it was and wondered why everyone complained about them. However it just would not go round a corner. So after plenty of advice from on here and lots of playing it now handles amazing but is bloody agony. I am now 2" shorter from my spine compacting whenever I hit a bump. Que sera.
Most of the time I can deal with it there just a couple of places where I get thrown out of the seat and all I want to do is reduce that a bit. I have comp n rebound settings that are far majority of our roads good enough. If I can't get the bumpier sections sorted I will just have to live with it or not use those roads when out on the panigale
Are you sure about your % figures? I have had a cable tie on so can measure the travel and to be honest it does not travel more than 50% of the overall length in p setting so god knows where you get 65% from. I have tried across the whole range 1-31 on the compression side and it does not compress as much as you say it does
Problem you have is the inconsistency of the roads and the speeds you will be traveling, the speed you may normally travel down a familiar road will feel incrementally different at different speeds and. I know what you mean and its a pain. Having limited set up experience doesn't help, I had my 999 resprung and set up perfectly. I have not changed any springs in the Panigale yet, but I can see it being a winter job. As it goes I weigh about the same as you so I'm watching this with interest.
Ah @Mr C you are built like a racing centipede too. I think at the weekend I will check sag front and back, once I'm happy with that then will get out for a ride down a mixture of roads. One thing I will say is I have noticed the difference between the 90 and 80 spring. Minor bumps in the road no longer have the effect of knocking my fillings out or rattling my bones so I am heading in the right direction
