British Indy: What Happens Now?

I had gone through some of the virtual walk through's but still feel for housing 129 MSPs and a 1,000 staff that a building that was 3 years late and 10 times over it's original budget may have not been the best use of funds and £414 millions IS a lot of funds.

 

obv you have never visited the excellent building,,, but i expect you will be aware that the reason for it being late and over budget were nothing to do with the SNP but is accepted was the failings of the major contractor, and many large projects are well over budget and late in delivery. ( do you want to discuss the dept emp computer system eg. ) the building is well appreciated within the architect/ design world and has received much in praise and awards. and we love it

 

You picked up on my virtual walk through comments, your quick, I like that

Good grief no, you bore the tits off of me within these two subjects, you talking computers may just turn me into a snp supporter :hearteyes:

Nothing wrong with that, and for our part south of the border, we were more than happy to help you build it through some of our taxes, share and share alike they say :kiss:

 

well thank you all for your help with the cost ( and i mean that most sincerely ),, i did notice your " walk throo " mention tho did not consider that of any importance ( my bad ),,, and dont worry i have no intentions of trying to involve you in a discussion on comps, as ( as you know ) they are not my " thing ". however, let me suggest that you visit the wonderful building for what i am sure you will find a very rewarding experience and all thots of cost will rapidly evaporate.. ( later you can fill your boots with thots of London undergroud, HS2 , buck pall etc )

 

some sense at last. i knew you could do it.

 

Unfortunately this isn't really the case, generally or specifically. Whilst the Principal Contractor did make some mistakes, the government decided to deliver the project as Construction Managers. As is often the case they probably did this because they had not decided on all of the details of what they wanted to do when they first went out to tender, so this gave them the flexibility (and all of the risk) to change things as they went along. This is why they had to pay the money to the contractor, because they failed to manage the interfaces properly (as often happens when you don't let the experts do their job). This is the case with a lot of large projects that over-run or overspend.... the details of what they want are either missing or change from the contract being awarded. If the principal contractor is responsible for delays and overspending, they will not get paid for them, so the project cost will not go up. I believe, of the £400M+ this cost, the contractor was responsible for £16m, and the rest was simply what the construction managers (the government) had to pay because of the way they managed it....

 

The next two things to watch will be today's French conservative party nominations with Filon being the expected candidate to go up against Marie Le Pen and next Sunday's Italian elections which could see the downfall of the Italian government.

Somethings you can be sure of, the euro friendly media will do their best to limit reporting it and some of us will be smiling.

 

yes but you must recognise the difficulties involved when everyone from the original designers thro the main contractor ( bovis ) to a myraid of subcontractors were ( now recognised ) to be feeding the gov with misleading estimates and projections ( to continue their feed from the public trough ) and then the death of the architect, were considerable... yes expensive, ( excessively ? not ) but ultimately an excellent product.

 

Just for some fun

I wonder "should" there ever be another referendum on the Scottish issue, whether they will allow the rest of the U.K. a vote to in the same election to see if we want them?

So for the Scots it would be, do you wish to leave the U.K. yes or no

And for the rest of the U.K. the question would be, do you Want the Scots to leave the U.K. yes or no?

 

I totally understand the difficulties... that is what we get paid to manage as Project Managers! With experience you know when you are being misled. Often you are not purposefully misled, often it is because you do not properly communicate what you want. That is why they never should have taken on the risk when it isn't their usual day job. They thought they knew better, but they clearly didn't. Ultimately though, it does come down to them for not managing those interfaces.

 

So you will be happy to live in an extreme right-wing fascist Europe? didn't end up too well last time did it?

 

i expect your view point is somewhat slanted towards your own profesional view / position, i know well / experienced what it can be like when those who dont actually know the job as well as they think they do,,,,,,,,i appreciate your input,, seems there is more to the issue than met my eye.

 

Duke, if you stubbed your toe on the corner of your bed, you would tell the world your leg needs to be amputated. Calm down dear, it's only a commercial.

These days unless you are following the book of the politicialy correct, there is always some numpty who will try and label you as a right wing facist.

Europe needs to change, it has gone from working for the people to telling the people what to do because they are so dumb and the politicians know better. We tried, we pleaded and we gave them examples and still they didn't listen

You go off on your

Germany controlling Europe didn't work out twice before but they still tried a third time and again, it didn't work out to well either.

 

The examples you took up in Italy and France are right wing fascists as are some of our own Tory party and UKIP.

 

They are not right wing facists such as in the days of Franco. It's just we have more special snowflakes in the world these days so anyone not drinking decaf could be seen as a facist. Don't forget the communists who drink mocha

 

I bet there will be posters up in most London Labour party offices (except the Islington bubble and surrounding areas ) with Nuttals face and a statement underneath saying, this man will take our voters from us.

He has the passion I'm sure it's just the accent. I can't hear a liverpudlian accent without thinking of Harry Enfields characters

For the snowflakes, there maybe some rude words

 

i'm somewhere between no3 + no4 .:Hilarious: i tend to emphasize the basturt a bit more and swap the their to us.