Yeah I read that somewhere else this morning, doesn't look good does it? Any ideas as to what went on?
Looks like the Jentin Doodson team have switched to Honda.Knockhill - Qualifying times | BSB Results | Jun 2012 | Crash.Net
Fully agree with Andy. Sorry but 900ss, monster, old multi, sport classic all share the same engine. It is not the engine that designates where the bike should go it is it's main purpose. SS is a supersport range so a step down from superbike hence own section. Monster is monster, multi is touring bike while ST is sport touring. New multi should be in ST group. 1199 is a superbike (I mean top of the range sport bike from Ducati) just like 1098 was, 999 or 996. So it has different engine configuration, so what should we separate 998, 999, 1098 from 996 and so on? Finally 1199 engine will not end up in it's current config in a naked bike. The least they will do is attach some kind off frame. 1199 looks ugly naked.
No the weather is actually shit (not like most years where people just moan that it is shit) so we need subject and VR vs CS is quiet.
Casey who??? Oh the guy who retired.....can reference to him still be found in the Vintage thread? :wink:
Common sense prevails, rule of thumb- face down ass up, full fairing, tuned for out-right performsnce etc = sports/super bike. When bikes went from carb to injectors it was a leap forward and over night any with carbs was old tech. when s1000r hit the scene suddenly everyone else started puting more aids on, thats why kwak held the release of the new 10 before they put on some gizzmos. you only have to read the spec of the panigale to know it is special irrelevant how it does on the track. look at how Rossi is doing, is it him or the bike;prob the bike lol but my point is none of us can ride a bike to its full at least not on the road so what does it matter. another thing is the base model is £14k something, chuck another £5k on and look at what you get for your sterling! ever priced up those separate components? If you do you see it comes in a lot more than £5k-thats special. I was gonna get a new jap bike and spend approx £10 k on modifying it, full sys, full ohlis, wheels etc etc; make it truely special but then I saw the Panigale in the mags and thought thats got everything and more than what i wanted and its a Ducati so is the 1199 Panigale special? yes. Does it deserve its own slot? as a trend-setting, ground breaking feat of automotive engineering and design, most definitely. Would i feel unhappy if it wasnt? no cos one day there will be a new bike that will make the 1199 look old but it will still be a superbike along with all the other superbikes.
Funny what you should say about the Panigale. In the early 80s, I wanted a bike that had a sports fairing, drop bars, proper suspension, fine handling frame. All the gizmos that you'd normally have to retro fit (as everyone did, to their 400/4s). No one made one of those apart from the Italians and especially Ducati. Seemed you could just buy it and not have to modify it to taste. So it was that I bought a Pantah. Suzuki got the idea in when, 85? with the first GSXR. It looked like an endurance racer straight out of the box - 4:1, double-headlamp fairing, clip-ons, racey clocks, neat tank. The complete business. And it weighed nothing. It was surely the precursor to all the Japanese sports bikes. But technically, Ducati were there first.
Technically speaking I think the Montjuic arrived about 12 months earlier, but let's not split hairs. I always wanted both with equal passion, gorgeous bikes.
Very true. If you had £11-13k or on the knock for a jap/bmw you would have to have at least a test ride of the 1199. I think you`ll see, over the next couple of yrs a jump in tech and design in all other bike in order to keep competition with Ducati. Maybe this is why the Jap bikes foe the last couple of yrs have only changed things like paint jobs, break blocks and other small things, perhaps they have been investing in new stuff like Ducati clearly have. 1098 has been around for 5 yrs 1198 for all sense and perpose is just a 1098 bored out, whos to say they havent been locking their engineers away for the last 3 yrs working away to develop the next benchmark of what is considered a superbike. Maybe peoples apprehension about the 1st of a breed and niggles with the 1199 but I think they would of tested it to destruction to make sure it worked. after all the same if not worse could have been said about BMW when they entered the superbike realm
I agree with Goody, its an incredible bike...just work on one to see how much easier access is.....anyone passing comment that hasnt rolled up their sleeves and worked on them wont fully appreciate the way the Panigale has moved things on, in addition to having all the bells and whistles. And lets face it, how many of us can ride a 900ss to its MAXIMUM, let alone a Panigale...that isnt the point tho is it? if you were seriously making a decision about ANY bike with your head, you'd buy a car..we buy them and have them cos we LOVE them and how they make us feel.....
I'd vote for Desmo special section before I voted for a Panigale special section. But having neither, I don't mind much. And no one's asked me to vote anyway.
