Won’t happen just yet as to cold to even think of going out besides I have not polished the bike enough yet. I suspect it will be nearer March before I talk to them. Alan
I'm buying the bike through my VAT registered company and using it to commute between offices. I therefore claim the VAT back and it's actual depreciation will be offset against my business. I suppose I could have bought a 2 yr old bike and saved a few grand but I'm terrible at impulse buying
Sure. The current Multi I find to be pretty easy/quick to turn in, either at low or high speeds. The "flickable" adjective is usually what people use to refer to that type of handling. The extreme example of this was my MV Turismo Veloce, which is tall and has a short wheelbase. That combination (all other things being equal), gave me a "dancing" feel: if I thought about turning right, before I knew it I was turning right. Very easy and quick to change direction. The downside of that is that 2-up it could be a handful. By contrast my GSw is more of the "rails" feel, where it will turn in fine, but it likes to stay upright and going in a straight line. Part of that is the 19" front wheel, part of that is geometry (as oddly enough, the GSw has a shorter wheelbase than my Multi), part of that is suspension (Telelever/Paralever vs traditional). It isn't slow handling, but it certainly is more stable than my current Multi. That is part of why I find it to be a bit better 2-up and loaded touring bike. Cruisers and dedicated touring bikes are what I would consider slower still in handling. Of course the devil is in the details, but the trend is that they err more towards the side of stability. The new Multi to me is in-between the current Multi and my GSw. It still is quick handling - the wide bar helps with that. But it is a little less willing to change direction with subtle inputs. Some might complain that is it too slow, some might say it isn't stable enough, others might find it to be a Goldilocks setup. Depends on the rider expectations and needs. fwiw my short ride on the KTM 1290 SA-S left me feeling that bike was pretty much a carbon copy of my GSw wrt handling.
Didn't ride the 1260 but my DVT just turned 2 years old and I'd always said that I'd just hand it back after two years on a PCP and get a new one. I don't need to test ride the 1260 and I've done 16,000 miles on my DVT and it's just perfect for it's intended purpose - commuting, touring, 2-up. I've seen enough feedback so I've just signed up for another lease plan and I'll hand back the DVT and pick up the 1260 at the beginning of Feb. I could have had it tomorrow but I figured I'd stick a few more weeks of crap weather on the one I have. The only real alternative that I was going to consider was the S1000XR but from what I understand they still haven't sorted out the buzzy handlebars - they've improved it, yes - but they still do it. Also, I just think a big twin is perfect for this particular riding format. So if I want a twin and I've loved the 16,000 miles I've done on my DVT it's a no brainer. Since I'm never going to own it the ticket price is almost an irrelevance and I'm just paying the depreciation. I've still got my MT10SP for when my hair is on fire and I want the screaming 4-cylinder experience.
If its anything like when I chopped mine after two years, essentially its enough PX to clear the debt (20% deposit to start) so about 10500 after 24 months
Seems like a lot of money then compared to my £8,000 to swap, so what's the advantage of a PCP then Paul ? Remember, I'm an ex PAYE bloke
Not at these sort of rates young man Well perhaps, maybe, you never know, mmmmmm, one day sort of thing
so you were offered (k or so then. For a newer bike with less miles. Thats why I said I'd be looking for another dealer..mine had 12k miles and was just over 2 years old...but made it far easier that I had a balance and a dealer I get along with helped lol
Just put a deposit down on a 1260, dealer given me £10750 for my 30 month old, 9.6k, 2016 model, 15 plate DVT. Deal done, roll on 1st March......
We could all hold out for more, or try and sell private, but ultimately after you take the VAT off, 10.5 - 11k ish trade in is where we are for a 15/16 bike.
Ducati Tri options calculator helps,as it all depends on how much deposit you put in or how many miles you do. http://www.ducatitrioptions.com/duc...17ducmultistrada1200s.htm?variant=Multistrada 1200 S
You don't know until you conclude your deal because it depends on value at the time, just like any trade in. They give you a guaranteed future value after 3 years (which was £8.5K on my DVT S Touring), but if you're trading in at 2 years then it should be more, but not quite pro-rata as the bulk of the depreciation happens in year one. Also, it depends on the mileage as you're typically allowed 6,000 per year and they charge 7p in vat per mile over that (so another 1000 miles will cost you £70). I recon two years and higher mileage has cost me a little over £6K to keep a DVT S Touring in my garage and do 16,500 miles. Keeping in mind that in another 1500 miles it's due a big service and I've used it in all weathers and because I bought it in the winter of 2015/2016 it's effectively doing it's 3rd winter now. It's touch and go as to whether it's worth it, but I just don't have an emotional attachment to this machine. It's a tool for work first and foremost, and allows me to get to and from datacentres in the city easily, carry some stuff easily, and is very practical for a motorcycle. Any bike could do the job to be honest, and I could pick loads of cheaper bikes which will depreciate a lot less which would do the job just as well .... but they're not a Multistrada, and nothing else is. Look at it this way - if I was commuting into London on a rail season ticket it would cost me more than £3K a year. What would I have to show for it after 2 years? Absolutely nothing, and a whole load of stress to boot. For that I can lease almost ANY motorcycle you care to think of. That alone stops me worrying about depreciation, etc, because actually not owning or even leasing a bike which will never be mine, would cost more. If you're the kind of person that (like me) likes to change every couple of years and you're going to use it properly and get right up to the annual mileage then it's possibly worth it. If you're going just get a bike and have it just become a "garage queen" and just polish it and not do the miles then it definitely doesn't make sense.
When working thru whether to trade in, I always factor in what will be spent in the next 6 months. Servicing, tyres stuff
I have an 1190 Adv which had its 9000 miles service on Saturday and they gave me a 1290 SA-S as a courtesy bike and I had it for the day. It was a properly run-in courtesy rather demo bike so you could properly open the taps and I have to say the performance was pretty devastating. Its got the Superduke progressive throttle ramp which means you have to wind in a little more throttle than is instinctive to find the real fury but when you do its something else. I would say the 1290 Adv lump is closer in character to the Multi than the old 1190 was. Its more thudding whereas the 1190 has more of the old-school buzzing intensity about it with a soar-away top-end. I thought it felt very similar to the DVT engine but more of it. Funnily enough I also thought the 1290 suspension reminded me of the 1200 GS. They've managed to all but eliminate the weight transfer at the front end and it had that Tele-lever composure under braking and hard direction changes but for my money with rather more feel. It steered incredibly sweetly too although the bars a narrower than the GS's. I loved it but that tautness and composure didn't suit some people on the KTM forum who said it was too harsh on rough roads. That's a fair point to consider, for any make of bike. KTM have indelible off-road genes in their make-up and so do a lot of dedicated KTM riders and some of them say they prefer (and can ride faster) on the more compliant 1190 or the non-semi active R. Ditto the Multistrada. Some journos have said the latest 1200 Multi was too softly sprung but that might be an advantage depending on how and where you ride. If you want to ride an upright sports bike on fast, twisty, perfectly surfaced blacktop then the 1290 SA-S is the one to beat, if you're riding less than perfect surfaces you might be better off with something more compliant. The GS is justly popular because it strikes a balance between those two but then again if it had the KTM or the Multi's power I doubt that balance would be maintained. Having said that I still think the S1000XR has the best chassis of any upright adventure-style bike. The 1290 SA-S would match it but the BMW has sharper brakes, its just that the I/L four engine leaves me cold. And the 1290 KTM and the Multistrada both make more torque at 3500 rpm than the S1000 engine makes anywhere. Would that chassis still be as good if it had that grunt to deal with? However much electronic cleverness they throw at bikes I don't think in this sector there is one bike that is all things to all people all of the time. You have to be honest with yourself about the sort of riding you're going to be doing and choose accordingly.
Gimlet - the thing you've missed in the comparisons between the Multistrada 1260 and the KTM 1290SA-S are the pretty fundamental chassis differences which immediately remove the KTM off my list - that being the lack of a 17" front wheel. I don't want a real super-adventure bike and the mere presence of a 19" front wheel just eliminates for me. I want a tall sports bike with some serious 2-up touring capability and have no intention to ride on anything other than tarmac. If I wanted anything with off-road capability I wouldn't even give the Multi 1260 a second look at least until they released an Enduro version - at which point it would be fair and right to stack it up against the 1290SA-S. Until then I don't think we're comparing eggs with eggs.
