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821. Handling , What Handling ?

Discussion in 'Hypermotard' started by Mr Tea, May 14, 2016.

  1. Have you changed preload tho?
     
  2. Peg and toe touching

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  3. Yes
    By clicks that that I mean. As you increase the preload you can feel small clicks in the system.
    The kids and wife are out today so it's pen and paper to count what stage we are at, as in wind it right back then right through the system again to see how many clicks take it from zero to full preload. Then I'll know what stage in the full range I'm at , same with the rebound.
    Tomorrow when shop are open I'm going to price up some new michelin power 3's as they seem a good grippy sports touring tyre as I don't like these Bridgestones.
    I looked at the old girl last night, bike not wife, and I do like the look of it. We just need to love each other a bit more.
    I ain't giving up.
     
  4. I'm fitting the supercorsa's to mine.

    I don't think a Hyper can be perfect, unless your idea of perfect is pulling wheelies away from every traffic light Grand Prix.
     
  5. I have to stay middle of the road on mine... Not shit but not top of the line as I use it for work... Before anyone says what a waste.... Riding a bike for me is a quick escape be it only for a short while and only a few days a week...!

    Be interesting to see how the fettling goes....

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  6. At 16st you will be at the high end of what the spring can cope with so will need a lot of preload. If you havent got a mate handy to measure it, wind it right in (ie up) and sit on it, and when you 'feel' its drapped an inch or so with you on it thats the one to try
    Good luck
     
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    Nice shot. But that is track and not an average road ;). Get some rearsets or change your body position or trackdays will be expensive!!

    Brand new boots worn thru the slider and leat,her that day
     
  8. Like Bradders says there you are getting to the end of what you can do with pre load on the orginal springs , if you want to keep the bike I would say get a professional set up .....mct , maxton who ever is up your way , different springs , oil weight , shim stack change and so on .
    The professionals can transform the bike , they will take your weight into the equation ( big task ...snigger ) and set the bike up for you , it's money well spent .
     
  9. The bike is already booked into MCT but that's not until August, their first proper gap.

    I'm already sure the spring is too soft for my weight, as I can't get the static and riding sag correct. The spring is too soft.
    I'm also pretty sure that if I spring it up in weight then the rebound valuing inside will be unable to cope with the stronger spring. also with no compression damping I'm on the back foot. The SP has an ohlins for a reason.
    I had a choice at the beginning. Try and make an SP a little more user friendly or a Strada more sporty. With the SP being pretty much out of my price range, my Strada was £6200 with 6500 miles on , the choice was made.
    We'll get it somewhere good and info on here may help others out along the journey.
     
  10. May be worth a little reaserch to asee if another model fits it, often (although with older Ducatis) they can eg a 916 unit would squeeze into a monster 620, and a 900ss would drop into a 600ss and added benefit of slightly longer shock

    Sounds like you know the problem...I would doubt the valve would have much of an issue, given its the spring that is too soft to keep the bike in the right plain
     
  11. Well... If an sp was/is off the cards financially then yeah... Plough on with your plan...

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  12. I have an 1100 sp and the Marzzochi is very plush , like you say getting the spring rate correct is key , it's surprising what they can do with the standard suspension compression and rebound by internal changes , your in good hands with mct
     
  13. I'm guessing the shock spring can be replaced.... Seems obvious as that's the main problem.

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  14. darren at mct is a genius. i'm calling him tomorrow just to get my sp set up
     
  15. Had all 3 of mine setup last week by the suspension lad at unity road motorcycles (about 20 seconds away from jhs) just been out on the zed... Which now feels lovely and planted in the corners... 30 quid a pop which is really good.

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  16. i think mct charge 120 for the basic set up, but when you consider he sets up bikes for race teams etc i think it's money well spent
     
  17. my track bike forks are met built and I have heard mixed reviews of the quality

    personally Mt T, I'd just change the spring (its not that hard) and see how that goes. If it still isn't good enough for what you need, look at aftermarket, for c#650 you can get a shock built to your weight with full adjustability. About twice the cost of a full rebuild (can you change the valving in the std shock??) but worth it for the added adjustments. Or check eBay every day fro an SP shock
     
  18. If the 821 ohlins is like the 1100 ohlins then you should able to raise and lower it also...

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  19. I used to be pretty good at suspension but the mists of time , age, seems to be catching up with with me but , I recall always only fiddle with one thing at a time else you don't know what's better or just made it worse.
    So.
    The front is the front. We can do nothing with that unless it's popped open and we fiddle with oils and springs and that's not happening . That's MCT's job. All I want to try and do is make it a little better while I wait for them to have a gap.

    Winding the preload up to help has helped , but I have next to zero sag . This means that the spring is too soft ( no surprise there eh ? )
    I've counted around 33 clicks on the preload adjuster, I was on about 26 not not a lot spare.
    On its lowest , softest setting there's plenty of sag , but that's irrelevant really.
    Rebound is on 3 of 5 half turns( I can't feel any clicks so work on the basis of half turns from either fully in , or full out , which ever is easiest.
    So really , I've very little to play with.
    I've would the preload right up again to max , and I'm going half a turn in from fully in on the rebound and see how it goes. It should give a little more clearance but I don't want it to rebound to a point that it becomes uncontrollable .

    The tyres are Bridgestone Battlax BT14's and as spoken there are almost unmarket and to me have chicken strips to be ashamed of which is good as it shows the suspension is not right , I'm a fat bugger and when sorted I'll be elbow down with inches , fnar fnar , to spare

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  20. the adjuster will be comp and rebound in one
     
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