Sadly by using a courier who would not be them but would be acting like a postman, they could say what they received eventually was not as described. if it is a scam, then they would pay by paypal, get the item, contact you saying something like it is not as described and want a discount payback, you will say it is as described so no, they then contact paypal who are likely to find in their favour and are likely to refund out of your bank the full amount leaving you with no bike and missing cash. Selling to a business should not be this hard so from what you've described, I'd cancel the sale, be prepared to take a neg and call it a day. I'd also cancel before the driver leaves or they might challenge you for the courier cost. Personally if you still want to go through with it, I'd reply to them cash or nothing
Is this true? What about the cases where peoples accounts get emptied:, like Gloria Honeyford, and it takes months to get any compensation and none of it is reversed from the accounts it was paid to.
Remember I've told you this in a email PLEASE PLEASE walk away Noobie has said what I've been saying There are so so many SCAMS out there
can you expand? Do you know anyone who has had this - not mate of mates but someone who has? Like others, I was under the impression that once the key hit your account (subject to an investigation if challenged later) it cannot be taken back by the buyer.
Having worked in the payment industry for the last 15 years i can comfortably say that there is not a single payment method that is not open to some type of Fraud and in most cases it's the seller that gets fucked. There are thieving bastards everywhere - some schemes are quite elaborate others just rely on the greed and stupidity of the seller. that said Fraud levels are very low and >99% of transactions are good. Understand the potential loopholes with the payment method you want to use and the protection on offer https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/ua/useragreement-full?locale.x=en_GB#011 for payPal see section 11 - you can email or phone them to confirm what you need. Regardless of the way money is exchanged you need to protect yourself by documenting accurately what you are selling, ensuring you can prove delivery/receipt, and most importantly be 100% comfortable with who you are entering into a deal with. completed a bit of research for you: They've been in business for a while.. and a visit to their website suggests they have decent stock. The owner can be found on FB and linked in and the ltd company details are here. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07191532/filing-history it's good to be cautious - ultimately if you have any concerns walk away
Just make sure you have 100% cleared funds in your account and do your checking from your own phone or computer.There is nothing wrong in being overly cautious nowadays cos there are some proper sharp and cunning scammers out there!
Personally I would no longer entertain cash when selling. I'm not a fraudster or criminal so unless the cash was a blatant photo copy I probably wouldn't be able to spot a fake note. Bikes and cars I've sold in the past few years the buyer has transferred the money into my current account, I've then checked it using my own computer then transferred it straight away into my savings account. To be honest I'm not sure how they can reclaim a bank transfer. From experience ive bought bike parts and payed by bank transfer to then receive a pile of scrap. The bank pretty much said it was tuff luck when I asked if I could claim my money back.
Seems to me that you could take something from the way banks work - and get a positive identification of who you're dealing with. If you have confirmed their identity and address, then you can point the police in the right direction if it goes wrong. If you insist on personal collection, you can even take a photograph as well. "So, officer, this is his/her name, this is their address and this is what they look like". ... and if they're worried about you having their details (don't want you turning up and nicking the bike back, for example) then just offer them the same identity information.
I asked for a covering E-Mail from the buyer stating he gives permission for the driver to pick bike up, I wanted the drivers name,reg number and ID included in E-mail and the payment to go in before 12 midday......so far not heard back lets wait and see
This lot (buyer) are a bunch of crooks. A close mate, who is doing this Mopedathon charity run with me next week, suffered at the hands of this lot. He's not a Ducati rider (or forum member), but instead a GSXR1300 rider (normally). For this reason he isn't posting this himself, but I did contact him to confirm all the details. https://www.facebook.com/mopedexpresswayarmy/ For those that want to sponsor....
Think that as he wants to buy to make a profit that you should tell him how you will accept payment ie cash which you will take straight to the bank and pay in. If they accept the notes then should be OK to release the bike. If this doesn't suit then let him buy elsewhere and I'm sure you 'll soon find another buyer.
So in summary; do or don't insist on cash which may or may not be couterfeit. Do or don't accept a bank transfer/pay pal which may or may not be refunded to the buyer. Do or don't release the bike until either of the above has or hasn't happened and do, absolutely, accept the second hand advice of a bunch of anonymous keyboard warriors who may or may not have had any of this happen to them/someone they'd heard of once at some point in the past!
I'm going to say - I have sold many bikes and bought many bikes - including privately via bank transfer of sums larger than banks generally allow in one day without issue. I am not seeing what the problem is... also, banks won't recall bank funds because you call them to tell them its fraud... If you're uncomfortable, don't go through with it. But someone paying via bank transfer doesn't mean its a con... I would take bank transfer over paypal any day. and I work in a bank..
I don't think anyone's suggested that its the proposed use of a bank transfer that indicates a con. I've taken transfers for goods sold on the net as well - but from honest buyers. Any method of payment is good if the buyer is genuine. Equally, no method will protect you if the buyer is a conman. The point is transfers are not con-proof. The trick is being able to tell buyer from thief. There are a number of factors that might point to a scam and if any of those are present the payment method is immaterial because there is no buyer and there will be no payment. The biggest no-no for me is a non-trade private "buyer" who will purchase the goods without seeing them, sending a third party to collect them and who has made contact only by text or on-line messaging (especially if the items for sale were advertised on an on-line classifieds site by a non-trade vendor with an unprotected phone number) and who is proposing to buy a road-going vehicle without being there in person to sign a V5 and provide proof of address and identity. That is a sure-fire attempt to steal a bike for parts breaking or black-market export.
How it will play out is;": Fella turns up Sucks his tooth and shoes his head a bit Calls shop Shop speak to you Make some spurious comment about it have a b and c wrong Offer you at least 20% less Fella waiting, pressure on you, accept 10% less They got bargain-you get shafted Hth
