TBh I was being far more general. I can think of a handful who were either/both funny, erudite, articulate, aggressive, real opinionated people. Yet when you meet them its like conversing with a wet wall. And never as forthright.... @El Toro @Ducbird feel free to close the thread please, answer has been given and I wouldn't want this to descend into a speakers corner (a forum I have on ignore) post