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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Am not sure we will find it funny when one of the first bits of EU legislation to be axed is the working time directive. If we end up with a hard Brexit and the right wing of the Tory Party in charge, I bet that’s done very quickly.
     
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  2. Sorry you were lied to.

    Please come back to the sensible side

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41859691
     
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  3. You misspelled "representative of"

    : o D
     
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  4. I’m not sure what connection you’ve just made and what your point is in relation to the Ukraine being warmed up...
     
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  5. oh dear.
     
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  6. The department only submitted its proposals for services last week! The WTO has 45 days to raise object. So takes the ratification to within two months of leaving the EU at the earliest. WTF was it thinking?
     
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  7. Good grief.
     
  8. I remember when the working time directive came in. The week before we had union reps handing out opt out papers, almost all came back asking for the opt out so as to no restrict their incomes. A handful indicated they wished to be complaint with wtd and they were accompanied.

    As to your sillyness and scare attempt. The eu withdrawl bill covers this as it will transfer eu law into u.k. law. From there is will be treated as any other thing in front of parliament, a questioned asked, a motion raised then discussion before you even get to a vote. I cannot see the U.K. parliament changing the working time directive. One or two silly people have always asked for it but to change it would require a whole house vote and it simply would not pass.

    I saw this but again, you chose to focus just on wto and not the wto AND free trade options which gives more flexibility.

    I'm okay with this and Jc will confirm this, find a legal agreement then employ a legal weasel and they will find you an out. Within that reuters article is this section as mentioned

    However, the process will not necessarily interfere with the implementation of Brexit, since many WTO members continue to trade under outdated agreements while they agree their new text.

    Was always going to be a problem when a remainer is running the leaving.
     
  9. Those meddlers are his own party. The party that gave the people the EU vote. They can hardly be called meddlers. They are part of the process. Inseparable. Government.

    This isn’t about Blair or merkel. It’s about JRM.

    Yes, he has a lot - mainly constitutional. But the key to my point is the adjective, “substantive”.

    Constitutional points aside, he’s said nowt.
     
  10. Ah, it’s always someone else’s fault isn’t it?

    You can’t blame anyone else. It is the governent negotiating the exit. The two are inseparable.

    There’s no such position as “Brexit would’ve been ok had it not been for that pesky Government”.

    The two are inseparable. Like Laurel and Hardy.
     
  11. You believe that the UK Government has been *negotiating* with the EU over Brexit? Even now after all this time?

    Extraordinary.
     
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  12. The vote remains the same, leave. Now if some are meddling to overturn it and open the box called pandoras of allowing politicians to refuse peoples democratic votes, I would hope you would have at least some politicians stand up and say so.

    JRM raised the point the minute she said she would not run again, all credibility, certianly whilst negotiating, collapsed. That is jrm pointing out the factual and the obvious.

    Constitutional points aside, he’s said nowt.

    he's said a lot that is relevent and makes sense, if you don't agree with him, it doesn't mean he hasn't said it
     
  13. Stay off the baileys before 9pm:D

    I'll ask you as a legal eagle, once transferred from eu law to uk law. Can the working time directive be changed without going through the house for debate and a full vote on it?
     
  14. To me things like the working time directive are that sort of things that used to be implemented by workers unions years ago.

    Didn’t the workers unions basically get ‘too big for their boots’ so kind of faded into nothing.

    Reminds me of the EU.

    And perhaps if we do actually leave and things got that bad the workers unions would re-emerge?
     
  15. I do.

    They have been negotiating a way to remain without anyone that voted leave noticing.
     
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  16. It's all a bit weird.

    We need the EU to force the UK government to uphold the laws that we, the people of the UK, want to see in place?

    What is wrong with the people of the UK forcing the UK government to uphold the laws we want?

    Oh, I get it. The people of the UK have no power so we need to trust a foreign government to protect us from our own domestic government.

    Uh huh.

    If I gave a shit any more I would weep.
     
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  17. Indeed. But all the "negotiations" have been between the UK government (on behalf of the EU) and the people of the UK. I think a lot of people have missed that point.
     
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  18. I’ve not a clue what the European Union (Withdrawal Act) 2018 says let alone means.

    It would depend upon the provisions of the Act and where the working time directive is covered under existing legislation.

    But there must be provision within the Act for huge swathes of legislation to be amended through S.I, Regulation etc.
     
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