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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Have you been on the angry juice again. Watch out for them non existent pop up terrorists on the border if we go no deal

    There are non so blind than those who will not see. I doubt you will see it on wings over scotland either, written by a bloke who has lived in somerset for the last 12 years rather than Scotland.

    I am always willing to help those such as yourself.

    Transferring eu laws into U.K. laws is covered by the eu withdrawl bill, which had many discussions on it and many amendments sought and proposed within the house. The bill in the end was passed into law June this year and so repealing the 1972 european communities act.

    when time came to vote, all parties that had mp's in the house voted, including the SNP funnily enough, voted yes to the eu withdrawl bill, and they wouldn't vote unless they were okay with it would they?

    well supporting the above and for your delictation, I give you

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44615245
    https://www.parliament.uk/business/news/2018/january/lords-debates-eu-withdrawal-bill/
    https://www.theguardian.com/politic...hdrawal-bill-grieve-meaningful-vote-amendment

    I hope facts instead of your water divining stick of nonsense may help for you to have a better understanding

    You're welcome
     
  2. pretty sure the UK media is mostly based and run from London. often off shored and much of it from overseas. thanks for making the point.
    i guess you could add to that most of it relies on a tax or selling advertising which relies on sensationalism.
    rather than donations. the lad made over 160000 pounds last year, he takes a wage of about 25k and puts the rest back into fighting law suits, commissioning polls through the usual pollsters, paying cartoonists, and last, but not least, forcing corrections and apologies from politicians and news papers. people are fickle, they wouldn't spend if they didn't rate it.
    news paper sales are falling through the floor and some of the biggies are going under. do you think there is a connection?
    I hope facts instead of your water divining stick of nonsense may help for you to have a better understanding

    You're welcome
     
    #20222 finm, Dec 15, 2018
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  3. of course they would, it hadn't been amended in the house of lords by this time. where they took the powers away (power grab) from the scot gov that would of ensured reserved areas returned back to the devolved govs rather than Westminster. as it is written in the sewal convention.
    I hope facts instead of your water divining stick of nonsense may help for you to have a better understanding

    You're welcome
     
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  4. Haha fin, your even stealing English posts but you avoided the reason for the return fin.

    The U.K. withdrawl act in law from the U.K. governments own website. The discussion can be found in Hansard too, snp mp's were present at all times.

    The "how did they vote" in regards to the U.K. withdrawl act, showing the snp voted for it, even the snp's leader in westminster

    now you can wonder off on your diverts, as is the norm but the question put to me by 749 was

    What do you base your opinion on?

    and on that, you got the starter, the main course and the afters

    you are very welcome :p:D
     
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  5. noob, let me let you, into a lil secret, they aint present in the house of lords you fanny, where they, the lords, amended it. then of course there was the fifteen min debate on the lords amendment where they had taken away the rights of the Scottish people and its Parliament, whereby the minister for waffle, did just that, waffle, for 15mins, so as to not allow an amendment on the bill from the snp before the final vote.
    facts bud, facts :upyeah:
     
  6. Fin, let me let you in on observational skills, I never mentioned the lords

    Keep up fella keep up :D
     
  7. i know, because you "forgot" the lords are present in the timeline of a bill passing for royal assent in the UK.. where the bill was amended. specifically to remove powers from the Scottish electorate. the power grab. your court, agreed with the advocate general.
    observe this. "finger"
    :D
     
  8. Yawn power grab.

    tell me fin, what powers did the U.K. government hand over to the eu government that are then coming back to the U.K. government.

    Now I know, if they had been grabbed from you, you would have asked the eu, who currently has them, for them back

    Keep in mind now that the u.K. has been in the eu since 1975 and the scottish devolved government (who are unable to give powers to the eu) was only created in 1999.

    So you see fin there is a power grab going on, I agree, but it is by a devolved government that never had them, never wanted them when the eu had them and are now seeking to grab powers from the U.K. government that the scottish parliament, never had to give away.
     
  9. aye ok, devolution didnt happen. wasn't campaigned for and the performances of the respected govs cant be compared to.
    sewal convention, read it or forever hawd yer weesht.
    so, one vote, with one of only two outcomes can run roughshod over every act before it?, no matter the disconnection to it?. is that taking back control?. sounds like something different to me.
    it seems yer heading off and away from your, eh...noob analysis .
    cant think why..
    anyhoo, as yer man said earlier, the weathers got a bit pish no?
     
  10. It's a funny old world fin but, I cannot find a single mention of the snp government approaching the eu, saying, those powers given to you, are ours, can we have them back please?

    funny that, I wonder why, even google results said, "awa' an' bile yer heid" , when asked :D

    weather here has been rainy all day, has played havoc with the counties false tans
     
  11. i know, its all good, you watch and believe the likes of sky news, much of the time Mike Russel wouldn't of been there to defend the crazy talk they and you spout.
    but why would they approch the EU ?, :rolleyes:.
    even tho they have, we have Scottish MEP's as do you have english Welsh and N/I, they are not reserved powers, the EU understand devolution and sewal better than you, and what they, the uk gov, wants to promote. tho the EU obviously underestimated the house of lords and the loyalty of our presiding officer, that deemed it unlawful in the first place. hayho.
    i guess Us and them will just keep banging away.
    catchy :upyeah:
     
    #20232 finm, Dec 15, 2018
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  12. Noob and Finm, too many words, keep it a lil simpler for the pissed among us, who won?
     
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  13. The fact we have the cup and they want it, would suggest who won :cool:
     
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  14. Christ ! I can’t believe you are allowed to vote. First you have no idea about our WTO position and now you don’t understand that “taking back control” means letting the Tories dismantle workers rights and that the EU withdrawal bill does not enshrine those laws until the end of time. They can and will be repealed.

    Are you smoking crack again?

    The world and his dog knows about the EU withdrawal bill

    Sequence of possible events in BOLD just to help you out, since you missed phrases like “Tory working majority”


    April 2019
    WITHDRAWAL BILL COMES INTO FORCE AND WE HAVE A HARD BREXIT

    MAY RESIGNS

    GENERAL ELECTION CALLED

    MAY 2019
    JOHNSON ELECTED LEADER OF TORY PARTY AND PRIME MINISTER WITH SUBSTANTIAL WORKING MAJORITY

    NOVEMBER 2019
    JUST FOR NOOBIE, PARLIAMENT DEBATES NEW LAWS REGARDING EMPLOYMENT INCLUDING ABOLITION OF WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE AND HOLIDAY ENTITLEMENT BOTH OF WHICH ARE COVERED BY THE EU LAW WHICH WAS TRANSFERRED OVER AS PART OF THE WITHDRAWAL AGREEMENT. TORY WORKING MAJORITY VOTES THROUGH REPEAL AND NEW EMPLOYMENT LAW LEGISLATION

    NEW LAWS INTRODUCED SINCE THATS WHAT SOVEREIGNTY AND NOT ACCEPTING EU LAWS WAS ALL ABOUT, AND THE WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE IS REPEALED AND OTHER WORKERS RIGHTS DIMINISHED.

    Get it now? This is what you want. For the U.K. parliament to be able to over turn EU Law. Which the Tory party will do, and do so to the detriment of your average worker so their friends in big business can profit more. It’s what they do.

    You’re welcome.
     
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  15. Just for you, my long post above summarised

    Noob thinks taking back control amounts to enshrining all of EU law into the Withdrawal Bill and for it to never be revoked or amended.
     
  16. never said that, if I did please show it, you won't be able too, you're worse at this than fin
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  17. The clear winner of this poll is crashing out with no deal.

    I’m clearly naive. I would have thought, as 44% of all UK exports go to the European Union on free trade terms, crashing out without a deal would be a bad thing?

    Go... democracy...
     
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  18. We already determined in this thread that the term "crashing out" is both pejorative and a misnomer.

    Go, democracy!
     
  19. Ah I see, we don’t want it phrased to sound bad, if it doesn’t sound bad it can’t be... But even phrased badly it was the clear winner.

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