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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Cannea ye not archive that? TLDR, GRRRR tories at westminster www.blokeinbathtalksaboutScotland.com gerritupya, Fiat van, Nicola is hothothot and never wrongggg

    If you can be me, I can be you :D

    as to that nonsense post of yours above fin, that isn't mum it's unfair, that is the honesty of being a small party and the limitations that gives. Either become a bigger party or understand the limitations
     
  2. A new referendum is the only way out if May's deal fails. Even the cabinet are starting to realise it.
     
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  3. They have been working for it for 2 years :rolleyes:
     
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  4. And voted against the rape clause
     
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  5. Like the logical approach, finderman. You have a new shaman?

    Of course, it ignores the reality of why and how Corbyn became leader of Labour. I'll need to find my tinhat though before I expound on that ... cannot have those Gubmint energy waves interfering with my thought processes now, cannae?
     
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  6. Still don’t understand it do you?

    If Hogwarts Engineering makes broomsticks and wants to sell them to an EU buyer, it can, but only after the buyer has done all the paperwork, waited for it to clear customs, where it may be checked for technical compliance to EU standards, as well as to make sure the tariffs are paid and paperwork is correct.

    Or the EU buyer can buy a broomstick from an EU manufacturer and skip all the hassle.

    The logic of the Hard Brexit enthusiast is this.

    “WE HATE THE EU BECAUSE IT IS PROTECTIONIST - WE WANT TO LEAVE”

    Question from a businessman to said hard Brexiteer

    “AND YOU EXPECT TO TRADE SEEMLESSLY AND AS EASILY AFTER BREXIT WITH THIS PROTECTIONIST EU?”

    it’s laughable. We are either in or out.

    Out will make us poorer. In has shortcomings and comprises have to be made, I agree, but out is madness and an intermediate position is not worth having.
     
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  7. There is Noobie, playing the man because he can’t play the ball.
     
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  8. and an open top bus parade with 2-0 on the side if leave win :)
     
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  9. and opposed the power grab at holyrood but voted for it at westminster.
     
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  10. thats his style, bombard you with spam full of bogus acusations which means waaaaay to much time is wasted deffending agains the acusations. straight from the Daily Express book of how to do journalism
     
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  11. This 'We are British and the world revolves around us' attitude of the Brexitards is what has screwed this Country up over the years and why manufacturing in this Country is nothing like what it used to be. Meanwhile many Countries continue to do what we used to do but have moved with the times and have not had their heads stuck up their arse thinking that no one can do it better.

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-autoshow-geneva-jaguarlandrover-idUKKBN16E1PN
     
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  12. So being in or out of the EU won't make any difference to manufacturing then ?
     
  13. with a london sentric media, a centralised uk gove where 85% of the MP's represent english constituants and most of them to the south and east. i'm not sure there is a brittain.
    but, i will take no pleasure watching yer status being reduced to the place some like to compair the other nations of the UK to.
    Nope, i will take no pleasure in it a toll. :upyeah:
     
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  14. Rules are rules.
    Thought you were advocating WTO rules.
    Setting your own tariffs without negotiations would break those rules.
     
  15. There was never a rape clause. There was a popular restriction on families from school to death, being little other than baby farms to milk the benefits system and earn more than hard working families so restricted benefits to the first two children. Widely seen as a positive. Only in the snp's sick mind did they try and use rape as a stick to beat ANY opposition to them and make it about rape and to date, have never shown how many people this has ACTUALLY effected, because they created a mountain out of a molehill and used rape to do it. Bad snp, bad sick puppy.

    Worth mentioning this was used a lot in the 2017 general election by the snp and now, rarely garnish's a mention by the snp, go figure

    I didn't offer him up as an expert :D
    So I checked, someone who claims to have negotiated on behalf of the hong kong government, there hasn't been one since 1999 as China took it back, it's in name only and it turns out he was an observer and not a negotiator.

    so when you look further he says the same thing on all of the "a night with" that he has worked with eu and Irish governments when he hasn't and despite claiming he was an international trade negotiator, was working for Dale power solutions, a small U.K. company as a NATIONAL not international, sales manager https://www.dalepowersolutions.com/about/

    Now I say worked, he left even that job to bask in his "international trade negotiator and media celebrity" so is currently unemployed/self employed. https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/cam...funding-fight-brexit-no-deal-vote-referendum/

    You'll like his linkedin not only is it not updated to say he has left his small company as a sales director but it also mentions his mensa iq, fin I know you particularly like that :D
    https://uk.linkedin.com/in/jasonjhunter

    So no red it was not attacking the man, it was researching how much of an expert the person was, that someone on the remain side put forward as an expert.

    next
     
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  16. There is no power grab by the U.K. parliament ya jam buttie, the eu have the powers now, why don't you ask them for it? you won't because they were never yours in the first place, damn opportunists
     
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  17. Like most divorces, people get by, get going and move on, real world rather than scare stories to stop it.
     
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  18. All mys stuff has links, I read everything everyone else puts in, I even use video's and official releases from the eu and the Scottish government, are they spam, you're funny
     
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  19. To anyone observing Scottish politics with even half a keen eye, it was obvious from very early on that former athlete Brian Whittle was one of the stupider and nastier elements of the 2016 crop of new Tory MSPs, having been thrashed by more than 12,400 votes in the election but foisted on taxpayers anyway via the list system.

    (Trivia fact: Whittle is Holyrood’s most comprehensively rejected MSP. Nobody else in the 2016 election was beaten by such a big margin but still ended up in Parliament. He makes Murdo Fraser – who lost Perthshire North by 10,353 in his seventh defeat on the trot but still got a seat – look like a beacon of popularity by comparison.)

    Indeed, an interview in today’s Holyrood Magazine reveals that Whittle is SUCH a dim bulb, he didn’t even realise that if you got elected as an MSP you had to actually go and do the job.
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    But astoundingly, that’s not even nearly the dumbest thing he says in it.


    And we’re not even sure what is. This is a contender, for example:

    “It was [a] seeming refusal to dodge difficult questions that led him to request an interview with Holyrood, in order to respond to a news story which seemed to call into question a remark he had made in the chamber.

    The debate had been on poverty and Whittle had answered a question on whether Universal Credit was causing rising foodbank demand by pointing to his local centre, in East Ayrshire, which he claimed had seen a 30 per cent drop in use in the last year.

    However, when Holyrood got in touch with the foodbank, it said its most recent figures show demand was actually up by 12 per cent, and that the 30 per cent figure quoted by Whittle dated from 2016/17, a year before the local rollout of Universal Credit.

    The figures show use was declining, until Universal Credit came in, then it rose.
    But, sitting in his parliamentary office, Whittle bristles at the idea the statement was misleading. “I go into the foodbank and they are brilliant,” he says. “They tell me what the trends are, what the issues are, some of the things that if you said out loud I would get smashed for.

    But I am totally aware that Universal Credit has had an impact. My point is this: why has it had such a differing impact across constituencies? In 2016/17, East Ayrshire managed to reduce it [demand] by 30 per cent, and I’ve been waiting about a year to actually say that.”

    But, despite Whittle’s protests, the point is that the reduction came before Universal Credit was introduced. When it came in, foodbank demand then rose.

    “Uh-huh,” he says. “But I’ve been waiting about a year to say that, do you know why? Because what they’re doing in there is obviously having a positive impact.”

    He adds: “Now, I will freely admit, that in the context of that particular debate, I’ve maybe tried to force that in there, but only because it needed to be said.”
    We apologise for the length of that quote, but you need to see the full exchange to grasp just how thick it is. Having had his error patiently and clearly explained to him, not a single word penetrates and Whittle just blusters on repeating the exact same thing he’d been criticised for in the first place, insisting that the cretinously wrong and epically point-missing brainhonk “needed to be said”.
    But he’s not finished. Then comes this:

    ” – What about the two-child cap, then, also known as ‘the rape clause’? The policy, based on restricting the child element of child tax credit and Universal Credit awards to two children, has come under fire from organisations ranging from the Child Poverty Action Group to Scottish Women’s Aid. In fact, apart from the Conservative Party, it’s hard to find a single group that backs it.

    “Well, number one, again, this is where politics is appalling, there is no such thing as a rape clause. That’s an invention. There’s an exemption clause.”

    – It is effectively a rape clause.

    “No, it’s not.”

    – It’s an exemption for someone who has been raped.

    “Why don’t we call it a children in care clause? Because it’s part of the same thing. I’ll tell you what I think about that, there’s a legitimate debate to be had around the child cap that will never happen because, politically, you wouldn’t be allowed to say what you’ve got to say.

    The term ‘rape clause’ is an invention to beat the Tories with. It’s the invention of another political party.””
    But of course, obviously, it IS a rape clause. It’s literally a clause in the law, that deals exclusively with rape. You can tell by the way the word “rape” appears in it and how it’s all about rape (or “non-consensual intercourse” in the prissy language of government, like being murdered is a “non-consensual life-ending incident”).
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    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/support-for-a-child-conceived-without-your-consent
    But he’s still not done. For our money, the top spot on the podium goes to Whittle’s next remarks, about how withdrawing child benefit for additional children after the first two won’t cause them any harm:

    ” – But even if you assume that it’s acceptable to say to someone who has suddenly fallen on hard times that they shouldn’t have had more than two children ten years ago, even if you accept that’s OK, how would you explain that to the third child? What did they do to deserve that?

    “I’ve got three children.”

    – But you have a good job.

    “There is no way on earth you are going to devalue my third child. No way you can do that.”

    – So why don’t they deserve support?

    “It’s the parents that will have the support.”

    – But removing the support from the parents will mean the child will suffer.

    “The child will not.”

    – How would removing financial support not have an effect?

    “There’s a whole load of other things that are there to support you when you fall into those circumstances.”

    He doesn’t, however, quite manage to get round to mentioning what any of them are. The absolutely most charitable interpretation we can put on the comments is that he means foodbanks, and that a child won’t be harmed if it has to rely on foodbanks to eat. (And foodbanks don’t provide for anyone seven days a week – they’re temporary sticking plasters typically giving people a three-day parcel on a one-off basis.)

    But the final clincher is when he asserts that none of this is happening anyway:

    “- [The UN Special Rapporteur’s] study projected an additional 600,000 children would be living in absolute poverty [by 2022 as a result of UK government policy]. Those are households which will struggle to find enough cash for food, rent or heating.

    “Do you know what? If someone comes to me with that issue then I am all over that. I would pull out whatever I need to do.”

    – It’s happening now.

    I’ve never seen it. No one has ever come into any of my surgeries and said that.

    We don’t know about you, readers, but if we were desperately poor and struggling to feed our children, pretty much the last person on the face of the Earth that we’d go to hoping for help, or even an atom of basic human empathy, was Brian Whittle. The interview – which we urge you to read in full – provides ample evidence of why.

    But at the end of the day it’s not even the astonishing wilful ignorance detailed above that makes Whittle our new Thickest Politician In Scotland. It’s the fact that he actually actively sought out a journalist to say this stuff to.

    He wasn’t trapped or caught with his guard down. He urgently wanted people to know that he thought this, and is presumably satisfied with how it went. And that, folks, is a truly Olympian level of stupid.
    nope, theres no rape clause. *roll eyes*
     
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  20. acually, i bet you do,*nerd* then, you put yer DE and DM spin on it.
     
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