The trouble for Ireland is that their taoiseach is so incompetent that he makes May look competent. He has been played by the eu all along, jump lil monkey jump, you're important for 5 minutes. Only now has he realised that the eu always wanted this chaos over leaving to protect the project all along and knowing the british as he does, he knows we are polite to a point then come out and say "fuck you, we tried to be accommodating but you are taking the piss" That more than anything will push us into wto and free trade because like the referendum and project fear, brits do not like to be blackmailed or bullied. Now this represents a problem for varadkar, the game of poker will have only one loser, Ireland. It ships 80% of it's exports and imports though U.K. ports and road systems and Varadkat can see what's now coming because of the eu's arrogance and intransigence and varadkar will be remembered the same as May, for what they did. when we go to wto and free trade, the eu is fucked because a member country is on the other side of a non member country and that member country relies on that non member country, more than it does the eu. So lets see how the eu sorts that one out. If hurting ireland, just to get to us for leaving is what the eu see's as okay, then I definitely think it was the right decision to leave
In what way fin? by trying to leave as friends and with a weak negotiating team, the eu has taken the piss, you know this. But even people being polite have a cut off point were politeness is no longer an option. The only time the eu has twitched is when wto and free trade now look more like the option we will take and once left, they can't get us back for a very long time and can't control our , well anything.
I agree with 90% of the above.ie businesses/workers. But what this has to do with Brexit? Businesses have all the time been greedy, it is the Gov's. job to keep a reasonable balance between working class and big corporates. IMHO it is going to be the other way around if you spend 30 minutes and have a proper read..EU implemented a lot of laws to protect workers or stop greedy bankers assuming huge risks. Taxpayers lost 2billions on RBS bailout. Just an example you know EU wanted a cap on banker bonuses and risk they can take, also tougher bank stress tests..guess who was the first country to veto the law? It was UK and now you pretend that leaving the EU will sort this out..or do you really believe that we will change the political class once we "take back control".
[QUOTE One of the border crossings.....[/QUOTE] I bet WTO will improve the above "frictionless border" It seems there are beter taxes than 0%
The eu is a very restrictive organisation, it see's the greater good of the organisation above anything else, great if you are Germany running it but not so good as we have seen for countries like Greece when you need to make country specific changes to control/adapt and recover situations. And that can be done with or without the eu, the fact it's still going on within the eu, rather would suggest the organisation has failed in that balance. Actually this is not as much the case as you seem to suggest. Given our financial markets, the U.K. led the way in putting in stress/structure testing for banks and most U.K. banks have systems in place now that 2008 could not happen again as we now require sufficient reserves to be held. Many of the other 27 countries within the eu would not make these strict conditions. It's also worth noting, the 2008 crash happened whilst we were IN the eu so hardly the bastion of protection. I think it's likely to be more than that as 10 years later, they are not exactly kicking the door in to rush through and pay us back. It should have been sold whole sale after 5 years Absolutely we were right to block banker bonus's from caps. Not because I like banks but it is mission creep from the eu to start deciding private companies wages. That job is the job of the banks/company shareholders. It is not the eu's job to limit prosperity as to the stress tests, as I mentioned above, we in the U.K. have them, on that part the U.k. would have voted it through the bill, the eu deciding wages was beyond their remit but it shows just how much they want to control every aspect of peoples lives, just like a cult.
Iceland as well went bust in 2008, loads of Dutch and UK loans there, somehow no one mentioned this. You are aware the Greeks spent shit loads of borrowed monies on pointless things instead of investing it properly. State employees had 13th salary bonus if turning up on time every day extra holiday monies. The level of coruption there was unbelivable. The cost of 2004 summer Olympics did not help either. Fair enough it is the poor "plebs" that have to pay it back not the corupt politicians and oligarchs. More and less the same for Spain..airports in the middle of nowhere, motorways leading to nowhere... I was kind off expecting these from Leavers... Blamme the EU for whatever will go wrong with Brexit and then start pointing that EU is destroying Italy, Greece,Spain, UK, France. Well all the above countries are EU and the right to veto any law. Make no mistake I agree the EU gives a lot iof advantages to the German "export machinery" but than we can do the same..where is our manufacturing industry? On another hand as we can clearly see the monies/power/influence is slightly shifting towards China...there are changes at global level. Russia is becoming more and more involved in the middle east and eastern europe. I strongly believe that EU as a block has a stronger chance the "stand up" as compared to individual countries.
I believe there would be 1-2 years of trouble ahead and then things will settle. Who knows what will happen in 20 years time? My only grief is that cannot really see any big gains from leaving...forget the £350 million for NHS cheap comedy. The financial contribution towards EU peanuts compared our yearly GDP 2.622 trillion USD (2017) Think about the billions we donate to the "poor" countries in exchange for what?
A new politique, one that reminds politicians that whilst they are busy listening the the noisy minority, the quiet majority speaks with one voice when it truly matters. A new politique that reminds them that where other countries seek riots that change very little, change by democratic votes can have a legal obligation that they cannot do anything else other raise their game. A new politique that after the first few years, our politicians can no longer blame the eu but will have to do the role they signed up for. Sometimes when everything has been tried and there seems nothing left to try but you know it needs to change, you have to break it and start again and in that rather traditional british way, we do it with democracy and the power of the vote. Vive la revolution, vive la Royaume-Uni
No Kirky, the Govt here has know this ever since the UK triggered Article 50. It just may not have been reported, and hence viewed that way, outside of Ireland.
Noobie, I have to rebut your statements. 1. Varadkar is actually doing a good job. At least as far as the Irish population is concerned, which for an Irish Taoiseach and politician is really all that matters. 2. The Govt, which is a coalition, have known all along that the UK is a land bridge and a no-deal Brexit is a disaster. To this end planning has been underway for a long while now to switch ferry traffic from Ireland-UK to Ireland-France and Ireland-Spain. The ferry companies are in accord with this. 3. The issue of a ‘hard border’ on the island of Ireland is one that IMO the EU have used as a negotiation tool, and why not, wouldn’t you use whatever levers are at your disposal? I admit this has played into the hands of those on the island who want a united Ireland but it’s also played into the hands of those who don’t, and has given the DUP power way above their pay grade. As any politician would, Varadkar is using it to further his and his party’s cause with the electorate. Regardless of my, or your views, that’s politicians for you and the way of the world.
I saw Fianna Fáil has agreed to extend its confidence and supply arrangment with the minority Fine Gael-led coalition government until 2020. Confidence arrangements seem de rigeur for irish parties You mentioned ferries Paul and it got me thinking. The eu agreed the withdrawl deal only a few weeks ago in November. The ferry Celine, to take irish traffic from ireland to holland in case of a no deal, was put in place and active in January of this year and working from Ireland in April. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ire...ing-ferry-launched-from-dublin-port-1.3468760 It was spotted being built in south korea in May 2017 http://www.shipspotting.com/gallery/photo.php?lid=2665626 it was ordered in feb 2017 along with another ship to follow https://worldmaritimenews.com/archives/233442/cldn-takes-delivery-of-its-first-next-generation-roro/ The design of these ships even when using an established one and this wasn't because it was the biggest of it's type, would have taken at least 6 months to be designed and signed off before then going to tender and signed off for the build. Now If I were a cynic and given some of us have said all along that the eu have always wanted a no deal as a punishment to warn others and will run the clock down, this ship and its soon to follow sister ship would have been started as a project in late december 2016 but the eu's withdrawl agreement was not reached till a few weeks ago hmmmm
I am now praying for a hard Brexit just to see you fucked over Don’t think I have ever come across such a deluded individual Reference your comment on women, women’s strength is irrelevant when they are abused aged 6 or 12. Adapting the policy to accommodate the very few women who were unfortunate enough to find themselves in those circumstances and yet you defend the decision. The absolute definition of a mysoginist
Nothing bites harder than reality Incoming! I am reminded of the Jello Biafra song, Nostalgia for an age that never existed
If there is a mirror in your house, can I suggest you have? Now, if you remember the conversation, you mentioned the rape clause grrrr tories. I highlighted this had been discussed before in here and it was never a rape clause but was the nationwide cap on the first two children in regards to benefits, as there had been many abuses by women who had literally left school pregnant then went on to have so many kids that they earnt more than a working for life tax paying couple. The first two cap is seen by many as the best response to the abuse by that set up. Now again as mentioned, in the general election 2017 the snp siezed on this as an election gimmick just to say vote for us and not the nasty rape clause tories. The Scottish people saw it for what it was and kicked a third of snp mp's out of parliament for daring to use vulnerable women that way. When the general election had finished and ever since, the snp has hardly mentioned the rape clause again. Now when you raised the rape clause in here and were set straight you went off on your mr angry from angry town rants again so were asked 4 questions to support the rape clause claim the simplest being, how many people on benefit actually fell foul of this and been refused money when claiming a child as a rape baby and to date, neither the snp or people like you making the claim, have ever produced any figures, let alone accurate figures. You latched onto an idea at election time, threw it out as a shotgun scatter approach with no figures at all and are now known as the party who uses rape to get an election won but the voters caught you out and punished you for it. So when you came back this evening, I had hoped for some figures but instead, nothing new from you, no figures, no facts, just angry man. you bore me as I suspect you do to most around you. No more replies to you mr angry pants until you can calm down, stop telling lies about women and stop using women who have been raped for political advantage.
