Pay no mind to EgoBoy there, Alan. He is angry cos he just found out that he cannot choose whether or not he is a subject of the British Monarch. He seemed to think he had a say or a vote on the matter. Crazy kid!
mostly because you keep replying in the same spoilt childlike way. they would of known the opptions, non of which would of resembled the cluster buarach we see today, can you point me to where the uk media highlighted the effects of brexit on devolution?, maybe a wee quote from one of the leading brexiteers stating that brexit and devolution isnt compatable and changing the wording of the devolution settlement would be required?
The people of the U.K. all made a choice to vote in a nationwide U.K. vote knowing it was a 50 50 question. That was it fin and EVERYONE who voted knew that. The snp's continual what about the stuff that wasn't on the ballot is a opportunistic freak sideshow because the devolved governments will remain devolved governments. Had they had a seperate vote on devolved governments then people would vote on that as a seperate issue THIS vote was about in or out of the eu, the fact the snp struggle with yet another democratic vote they refuse to accept, is nothing new but is the snp's problem as one of the least democratic parties in the U.K..
yip, it was about the EU, not about devolution, yet thats gonna be one of the victims. anyhoo, chill you angry child. democracy alows us to highlight and campaign. just roll with it.
I'm more chilled than a chilled thing fin, I understand the democratic vote, I also understand that no democratic vote has ever made 100% of the people happy but it still doesn't stop them voting.
Now you've done it, he'll find his usual 50 million copy and pastes . I'll get in first before the page count goes up by 60 Like most modern countries of western stylee, da yoof is having less kids so we rely on immigration to bolster the shortfall to carry out business's dream of every year making more profit. However when the migrants come over, only a small percentage ever want to go beyond England. According to fin, the snp etc, that's the tories at westminster's fault, as if they round them up and make them decide where to live. Despite them saying it is Scotland that will suffer, it will effect all 4 countries within the U.K. Immigration is not being stopped however as some have tried to make you believe. We are moving more to a system of, do you have a job if you are coming here and out of the eu, you will not be entitled to benefits and medical services housing etc etc if you do not. Controlled migration is what was asked for. Now, fin will say power grab and I will reply, you're telling falsehoods. Powers that the U.K. gave over to the eu, will now come back to the U.K. government. AT NO TIME have the Scottish government ever handed over powers to the eu so they have none to be returned to them. The U.K. government HAS said however that once free of the eu, more powers can be devolved to the devolved governments. That is fact and that is the U.K. government sharing the love. A problem of their own making however, is that they demanded their own ability to raise funds through taxes as per devolved country, this relies on still having a sugar daddy of some kind whether it be eu subsidies or the U.K. government. Once we leave the eu, devolved governments will no longer be able to apply and receive eu cash. Some of this will be backfilled by the money we are not sending over. But, the amount they will get from the U.K. government will be smaller as the insistence to raise their own cash though tax, removes the obligation to the U.K. government. In effect, you wanted more powers for more financial control, there it is, off you go In truth and the real world, smaller parts of ANY nation will always rely on cash from those parts that are populous heavy, this is the reality of economics that smaller bit players refuse to accept even if they know it to be the truth.
dude, this could be a looooooong story. it would help you to understand our position if you knew the back story and history to devo, along with the tax raising powers we have. but thats for another time. and a computer with spellcheck. basically the wording of the devo settlement is, everything that is not reserved is devolved, for the uk to strike up trade deals it will most likly involve areas where we currently have competency. nhs,farming, labeling, procurement ect. big list. after assurances where made that it wouldnt hapen, they changed the wording of the devo settlement via the HOL. you know, the unelected ones. soveringty anyone?
Note that the new CPTPP agreement is set to be a larger trading block than the EU once the UK has left. This was being set up by the USA until Trump pulled the plug on it - big mistake! The world’s most radical trade pact has come into force across the Pacific as the US sulks on the sidelines, marking a stunning erosion in American strategic leadership. Eleven countries are pressing ahead with the Comprehensive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP), defying barely-disguised efforts by the Trump Administration to kill the treaty. A vanguard of Japan, Singapore, Mexico, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand activated the treaty over the weekend, ripping down barriers to trade in almost all goods. It eliminates 18,000 tariffs, and slashes others in stages over coming years. Once Vietnam, Malaysia, Peru, Chile, and Brunei have ratified the treaty it will cover 13.5pc of global GDP, bigger than the EU’s post-Brexit market and a faster-growing region of the global economy. Korea, Thailand, Taiwan, Indonesia, and Colombia have all expressed interest in joining. So has the UK despite being in the Atlantic. It promises to become the world’s biggest free trade zone in short order,and perhaps the nucleus of a new global order. If May's deal was agreed, it would prevent us from joining this agreement and reaching a trade deal with the USA.
House of Loons if referring to the snp government or House of Lords (also loons) if referring to the U.K. constitution
A second referendum would require a new paper, then a bill then to be voted on again, this could not be done in time using conventional methods but also runs the risk of what the eu has history of, forcing countries to continually ignore democratic votes till it gets the one the eu wants. The default is in march if no deal then we automatically go to wto and free trade if no agreement is found. It isn't stay in if we can't decide anything.
I agree, but I still think our government would rather we stayed in the EU, and are trying to find a way of making that happen without causing riots.
yes and no, if the brexiteers main argument is soverinty (bollox) but laws can be changed via a trully unelected chamber. then, hmm. what can i say.
I do think our whole government set up needs a change, including the House of Lords, but will it make any difference to that whether or not we are in the EU ? To me we have a better, but slim, chance of changing things out of the EU ?
For a start, our own mp's and system will have to be more accountable without the eu to cover their arse. As to the house of lords, personally I'd like to see it shut down. it started off with a noble purpose of being the watchers of governments but the allocations have meant it's now little more than an extension of the government of the day and we don't need more government, we need less.
