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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Because you have decided so because your side was not the democratic majority, cool. Would you like a gold star instead? :sun:
     
  2. So with the nation having having voted to leave at the last referendum are you now saying that for this to be overturned in a future referendum with the same choices that a large majority needs to be in favour of remaining ? Maybe 60% Remain to 40% Leave ? Thats a tough call, I imagine Remain would have been delighted with 52% of the vote last time.
     
  3. Dude, you're young, you lack life experience. Nothing to be ashamed of.

    Not something you should display proudly, of course ...
     
  4. i'v been reading about the 1979 referendums this morning. May truly is a lying fuck face aint she?
     
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  5. I do wonder if there would have been any fuss if the result had been marginally for remain ?

    I'm guessing, but based on him earning (extra?) money from the uk being part of the EU, I'd expect him to want the UK to remain. ( I don't blame him either, I'm sure most of us would think the same way)
     
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  6. Bear in mind - if you want to remain in the EU, the last of your concerns is democracy and democratic principles ...
     
  7. They would have also said 52% to remain would have been the vote of the people had it been in their favour, cest la vie
     
  8. I’m saying the marginal vote gave a mandate to leave but as it was so marginal, the mandate was for the softest of brexits, not the hard WTO Brexit being threatened now.
     
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  9. Shadow shows a fine example of fluff rather than we had a vote, we had a democratic majority decision, as we have done with all our votes, so now get on with it
     
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  10. And another thing..................

    Let's not forget that after the banking implosion of 2008 where governments were bailing out banks left right and centre resulting in unprecedented belt tightening those twats Tusk and Barnier (or their predecessors) were asking for the EU budget to be increased by about 10% from contributing countries.

    That's how out if touch they are and another thing that makes my blood boil .

    TB
     
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  11. You imply this is all down to Brexit, it's not so rosie over on the continent either. https://www-express-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.express.co.uk/finance/city/1071892/Euro-news-eurozone-finance-Germany-recession-Italy-France-budget-money/amp?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQCCAE=#referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/1071892/Euro-news-eurozone-finance-Germany-recession-Italy-France-budget-money
     
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  12. How does this compare to France and Germany ?

    TB
     
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  13. THERESA May was set to deliver a speech today on the binding nature of referendums that rewrote the history of the Conservative party and even her own voting record.
    Speaking in Stoke-On-Trent, the Prime Minister claimed that the referendum on a Welsh assembly was seen as binding despite narrow voting margins, drawing a clear parallel to the EU referendum.

    The speech she delivered on Monday, though, was different from the copy that was originally shared with the press.
    May was due to state: "When the people of Wales voted by a margin of 0.3%, on a turnout of just over 50%, to endorse the creation of of the Welsh Assembly, that result was accepted by both sides and the popular legitimacy of that institution has never seriously been questioned."

    However records show that the Conservative party, and Theresa May herself, voted to scrap plans to create a Welsh assembly following the referendum, by attempting to prevent a second reading of the Government of Wales Bill in December 1997.
    In this instance the Prime Minister voted to amend the bill so as to prevent the formation of the Welsh assembly and, failing that, voted a second time to prevent another reading of the bill.

    May and the Conservatives failed in both instances to stop the bill moving on, and the Assembly was established the following year.

    In 2005, the Conservative party also promised in their election manifesto to hold a second referendum on the Welsh Assembly which would include the option to abolish it.

    The altered speech instead changed the contentious line to "When the people of Wales voted by a margin of 0.3%, on a turnout of just over 50%, to endorse the creation of of the Welsh Assembly, that result was accepted by parliament", erasing the Conservatives historical role in trying to prevent devolution.
    to endorse the creation of of the Welsh Assembly, that result was accepted by parliament", erasing the Conservatives historical role in trying to prevent devolution.

    In an attempt to stem growing support for a People's Vote, May went on to claim that we had never had a referendum in the UK that "we have not honored the result of".

    This, too, is incorrect.

    In 1979 a referendum was held on establishing a Scottish parliament which resulted in a majority backing devolution.

    An amendment introduced by Labour MP George Cunningham ultimately scuppered the vote, after requiring that 40% of those registered to vote must have voted Yes for the referendum to be accepted.

    Effectively, this resulted in any Scot who was registered to vote but didn't for whatever reason (e.g. if they were dead), being counted as a vote against.

    Despite getting a majority, Westminster opted to ignore the result
     
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  14. Unfortunately it appears as if it will be so soft as to be no Brexit at all and those that lost will turn out to be the winners. Not good for democracy at all if that happens.
    Just a matter of opinion of course but I dont see WTO as a threat .
     
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  15. What tosh, the vote was stay or leave, not a sliding scale, what sillyness.
     
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  16. Personally all I am asking for is the vote that was carried out in the traditional way and with a democratic majority direction, to be carried out

    What are you asking for?
     
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  17. It is beginning to seem like you will be saying that about me soon.
     
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  18. I asked for links to this claim?
     
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