Yeah, once the vote was won and the thin end of the wedge was inserted, Brexit turned into extreme Brexit. That is why remainers are so bitter.
: o D "I'm voting against Brexit!" <Referendum> "Hey! Waitaminute, no one said I was voting against extreme Brexit " *You bastards*
Norway was the example being held up as the way to go by the big campaigners. There was no mention whatsoever by Boris and co of WTO
And for some reason, you were hanging on Boris' every word. I guess that is the reason you are a Remainer and Brexiteers are Brexiteers. Care to guess how many voted on the basis that: "An EU Army is a fantasy?" "We will be able to control our own borders vis a vis immigration?" Tell me more about what wasn't being mentioned - I am fascinated.
Well, if the vote result was to remain in the EU, that would be that. This is because people would have voted for the status quo. They know what they've got, they know what they are voting for. The problem with voting Leave is that there are all sorts of shades of Leave. May's plan is one of them. It just isn't Leave enough for many, but it's too Leave for those who don't want to Leave. What what Leave do people want? Statistically, we have no idea. All we know is that they want to leave. Maybe putting the thing to the people might help us all find out. After all, leaving is supposed to also make some concessions to those who wanted to remain and there is pretty much half the country who did/do. I'm surprised at quite how rabid many Leave supporters seem to be. It's not that they don't like the EU, they hate the EU with a vengeance. But they love Europe. Of course.
Never dependant on a deal - that is what the meaningful vote is all about. Parliament insisted on being able to vote on whatever deal the government was able to come up with.
Just to be sure I've read your reply right? As leave won 51.9% and remain lost at 48.1%, that is too close and should force a second vote. But, if the result had been that remain had won 51.9% and leave lost 48.1% then if the vote result was to remain in the EU, that would be that. If that is what you are saying, can you not see the obvious democratic issue with that? I think this is where remainers have been getting confused, there never was a shade of leave, the vote was stay or leave. Neither decision was based on any deal there after. As we voted to leave then that is what the vote was, to leave. have you been drinking? stop with the eggnog, your looking silly Most brexiteers have said and continue to say no matter how many times extreme remainers have their fingers in their ears singing lalalala, we like europe, love europeans but have no love for the eu project and rather than go the course the eu are taking which we do not agree with, we wanted a democratic vote on whether the eu was still for us?, we voted no through the leave vote
The referendum never mentioned a deal. It mentioned leaving the EU. Leaving the EU means not being part of the EU. Partially leaving the EU is open to interpretation but partially leaving the EU wasn't on the ballot. Leaving was on the ballot. The Government is reframing the referendum question to mean, leave the EU on favourable terms as defined by a deal with the EU - with Government defining the meaning of "favourable deal". It was incumbent upon the Government to negotiate a deal, in the interests of the Country. It is not incumbent on Government to block Brexit in the event that an favourable deal cannot be made. A "Deal" is being offered. That's marvellous but the referendum stated, leave or remain. If the deal achieved by the government is demonstrably *not leaving* - for example, May's Deal, Parliament is morally bound, by the terms of the Referendum, and by the terms of the manifestos under which the vast majority of MPs were elected, to vote down the deal. Legally, we must leave the EU on 29 March 2019. We have been informed that that means there is no time in which to negotiate an alternative deal, which in any event the EU will not accept as May's Deal is the only deal they have said they will agree. Thus we either leave the EU on 29 March 2019, trade under WTO and commence talks to make healthy trade deals with other countries and the EU as an independent nation ... ... or we forego democracy. It really is as simple as that.
LOL. I am going to speak to Rob, see if we can get finderman an "I'm Confused" rating button as the "Funny" button is not really suitable. : o D
I welcome a critique of the logic of my argument ^^ Indicating your confusion by rating my post "Funny" or "Drama Queen" is also fine, please let me know the nature of your confusion. I'll speak to Rob about that new Rating button in due course.
When the result of the referendum is ignored, as sadly I believe it will be, can you imagine the anger/ resentment of all the people who believe in democracy. I’m sure there are a lot of people who voted Remain have accepted the result like a grown up should. There is trouble ahead, who knows what extreme political parties will be spawned. Then again can it be any worse than these free loading scum bags we have in power!!
The ballot paper may not have referred to a deal but, as you were reminded recently, Chris Grayling promised that a deal would be negotiated quickly and easily and would be ready for us to seamlessly resume trading on the instant we leave. You extreme brexiteers seem to believe the leave campaign and promises were irrelevant and that every voter who voted to leave wanted to leave as totally and damagingly as possible, never mind the consequenses and would have voted the same even if there had been no leave campaign at all. No floating voters whatsoever
i have a memory loz. a v,good one. thats why i find yer posts on these subjects funny now. you have changed. deffo.
