yip, untill a semblence of democracy got involved. crazy kids https://twitter.com/Feorlean/status/1085447777574944768
So who are suffering from all this messing around, our lives aren't exactly affected, at the moment anyway.
Agreed. Speaking of parliamentary democracy, do we have a "Best Oxymorons" thread or does one need starting up?
Thr DUP are turkeys who will not vote for Christmas. They will never be in such as position of power ever again. Provided the backstop is removed, or the UK leave without a deal they will support the Tories. There is no majority within the Tories that could defeat the other factions currently, so by supporting any no confidence motion they vote themselves out of a job. That isn't going to happen anytime soon, unless May tries for WTO/ Hard Brexit. I expect a failed No Confidence vote today, and a promise to have an all party commision next Monday. This will be followed by dithering throughout February. At which point a delay to exiting will be made for a second referendum which will take another four months. The Tories can lose an election (Lab & Con are too close to call) perhaps they would rather frame a new referendum and stay in place.
As soon as the result was announced, Jeremy Corbyn called a motion of no confidence, which is due to be debated tomorrow (Wednesday). Jeremy, in the event that he’s successful in bringing down the government, will campaign in the General Election for his own version of Brexit. So much for that internationalism of the Labour movement then. However the DUP and the European Research Group of hardline Tory Brexists have both confirmed that they’ll be voting to support the government. The likelihood is that Theresa May will survive the no confidence vote. The DUP and the ERG might hate Theresa’s Brexit deal, but they hate Jeremy Corbyn even more. They might not like the Northern Irish backstop, but they’re fully on board with cutting the income of disabled people, the burgeoning use of foodbanks, the rise in homelessness and rough sleeping, cutting public services to the bone, and flogging off the NHS to American corporations
Why did they do it? Were they following some demented leader to a new utopia? Was there just too much meaningless disorientating noise in their environment that made them incapable of plotting a sensible course? Whatever the reason, they could not be coaxed back into the ocean and sadly expired on the beach.
Less than 52% You really can read an awful lot into a couple of sentences can’t you. You keep saying the people voted for brexit but only a very slim majority did. Cameron gave into having a referendum to appease the vocal far right of his party. He probably wouldn’t have done it if he thought there was any chance of a vote to leave.
It was always a spectrum, although it wasn’t until after the result that the leave side fractured along the lines of that spectrum. This referendum was theoretically at least non binding, so it’s not really an instruction as such, more of an expression of wish and the country was split right down the middle and still is.
I'm reading a lot more than the "couple of sentences" you post : o ) The People voted for Brexit. The majority. Had the Referendum been stipulated a 66% majority, that would have been one thing. But it wasn't. Just as well, as the referendum would have been no use at all, an utter waste fo time which would have not achieved any of its aims, real or implied. The country is split, roughly 52-48. There is no middle ground, out or in. You can attempt to argue that there is "hard-brexit" and "soft-brexit" but these are terms coined by Remainders and they carry no weight with leavers. It's out, fully out ... or it's in - be it 100% in or 10% in, they are both "In". With no way of resolving the the Parliamentary stalemate and no chance of a "two-thirds majority" for either side, and none stipulated, the choices were status quo or leave. Decided upon by a simple majority. Of course, Cameron offered the Referendum as a political stunt to shut down UKIP and his own Eurosceptics. Anyone paying attention knows this. However, Leavers were presented a chance to make their views known, as were Remainders. The Leavers won. Are you seriously suggesting that we set aside the referendum result on the basis that, "Come on guys, it wasn't really a referendum, it was simply a badly thought out ploy by David Cameron, can we all stop and be serious again?" Is that really what you are suggesting?