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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Its also a possibility that there will be amendments tabled following the results of Mays next negotiation - probably mid February. It could be that the non binding vote regarding "No Deal" was indicative of what those amendments will contain. If Mays negotiating prowess remains on a similar level to that of the last two years, I'd be more inclined to bet on her winning Strictly, than Brexit on WTO.
     
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  2. Not sure why she is going back to negotiate with the EU when they have said they won’t change the deal ?
     
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  3. They want a deal as much as we do, it's in there court now, will they just sit on there hands.
     
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  4. May said repeatedly for that last six months that her deal was the only one. Tonight she changed her mind. Perhaps the EU will similarly change theirs.
     
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  5. I would have thought so too.

    Haven’t they made a fair bit of noise saying they won’t negotiate any more though ?
    Won’t it make them look a bit silly if they agree to changes ?
     
  6. Hard to look more stupid that May when she told the house to vote against her own deal.
     
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  7. They'll do what suits them and make excuses that things have changed and they need to react to prevent us leaving with no Deal.
     
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  8. I’m fairly sure there are plenty of historical examples of PMs / MPs changing their minds about issues.

    There’s something about this though, I think politicians have done themselves a lot of damage over the last 2 years.
    Kind of shown their true colours, that they aren’t overly concerned about the UK.
     
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  9. Which we’ve already said we won’t?
     
  10. But technically still could...
     
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  11. Brussel's say no to further negotiations tonight :bucktooth:
     
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  12. So May will be riding her new Unicorn to Brussels!

    Actually a very good night for May. She can now demonstrate through the votes, that there is not enough support for delay, there is a desire for a deal but not without changing/time limiting the back-stop. There is a clear majority if they will make that change.

    The alternative for the EU and Ireland in particular, is to face the looming consequence of the border issue, that Barnier has already said would have to be technically handled in the event of no deal Brexit. At the end of the day, the EU will eventually be pragmatic as this concession will avoid further damage to a vulnerable Eurozone economy. We need to deliver the amended deal and hold firm.
     
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  13. Is now a good time to remind you all of my prediction months ago that we are going out on No Deal?

    Or that I predicted a return to violence in Ireland, which has happened already ?

    Or that I predicted that the tories only want to conserve themselves? One day they are voting down the PMs parties flagship policy, a few says later they back her in a vote of confidence

    Has anyone got anything positive? I see Sterling is tanking again
     
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  14. You have no brain? We know
     
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  15. Still up on last week and 3% up on last month - he's joined project fear :joy:
     
  16. 1) No Deal Brexit - Still unlikely, there will be a last minute pragmatic fudge from the EU and a short extension to get all the new bills through the HofC.
    2) Violence - Never truly ended did it? Criminally driven rather than idealistic.
    3) The Tories are actually united by the greater Armageddon that Corbyn/McDonnell and Abbot threaten if elected.
    4) The Economy - Actually in great shape and causing IMF/EU, etc to revise all their doomsday negative predictions for UK up and EU down. Low inflation, highest wage growth for years and great emplyment. The good news:

    In the September to November quarter, according to the latest labour force survey, there were 32.53 million people in work - 141,000 more than for June to August 2018 and 328,000 more than for a year earlier. Astonishingly, there are 3.4 million more people in work than a decade ago.

    The employment rate - those between the ages of 16 and 64 who are in work - has also hit a new record high of 75.8pc, against 75.3pc a year earlier. The number of economically inactive citizens, moreover, continues to fall steeply. We seem permanently to have broken with the past, and a bit like double digit inflation, confined the scourge of both structural and even cyclical unemployment to the dustbin of history.

    Virtually anyone who wants a job can now have one. There were an estimated 853,000 job vacancies for the October to December quarter, 39,000 more than a year earlier - another record. At the same time, the redundancy rate at close to a record low defies the impression given by the headlines.
     
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  17. It’s a shame people find reality hard to deal with
     
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  18. One of the plus sides of Brexit is that there are loads of good cheap vans for sale from Polish people.
     
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  19. Conclusion; stop knocking the UK, have some pride in the great people of this country. Given the chance we will flourish outside the EU.
     
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  20. You are starting to sound like James OB and sorry that's not a compliment!
     
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