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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. I saw this last night and for those who didn't and believe the eu is not Germanys own vehicle, I'd suggest watching it. It's clear no one even takes a shit without Merkels approval
     
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  2. Yes, but she the one with the money. When the mandarins screw up shes the one who has to pay. Shes blaming the countries bailed out not the mandarins who are supposed to be supervising them, who had they done their job properly wouldn't have had to ask her for bail outs. Yet no Mandarins were harmed in this mother of all screw ups.

    TB
     
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  3. Esp nice when seedless variety.
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  4. I thought the most interesting part of last nights episode of 'Inside Europe' was good old Ali Darling recalling how the bailout agreement paperwork was 'reordered' in an underhand attempt to involve the UK. Classic EU tactics. I think the person that's coming out of this series the worst is Tusk. He's coming across as a first class to$$er. Roll on 29/3.
     
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  5. Merkel in Japan, has said:
    Acknowledging that the tight timeframe was difficult for businesses desperate for certainty given “just-in-time” production systems, Merkel said the “special” problem was the Irish border and the backstop agreement.
    “It should be humanly possible to find a solution to such a precise problem. But this depends ... on the kind of trade deal that we forge with each other,” she said.

    This is the absolute crux of the problem that the EU caused when they instructed how the Withdrawal Agreement negotiations would proceed, e.g. the financial settlement first and no connection or negotiations on the future trade deal. If a trade deal had been agreed in principal and scope, there would not be the same uncertainty over the border arrangements.
     
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  6. If we'd had a tough negotiator from day 1 we could have dug our heals in and challenged what and when was to be agreed and negotiated.
     
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  7. alister "devo max darling" the proud socialist lord?, yip, deffo the sort you can trust to tell it like it is...
     
  8. Kirky - Frau Merkel would prefer not to have the unravelling of the EU on her CV as she prepares to move on. Can't really blame her can you ?
     
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  9. Yep, by definition a 3rd referendum (1st was 1975, 2nd 2016) with join on the ballot paper would mean we are outside the EU so the result of the 2nd has been enacted. What could possibly be undemocratic about that?
     
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  10. A stark Reminder...worth reminding ourselves why we want to get out of the EU

     
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  11. I'm certainly not his biggest fan finm but nothing he said was out of step with the EU's methods of doing business. What did good old JCJ say once - "When it becomes serious, you have to lie"
     
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  12. Eu finance minister to alister darling...ali, we need the uk to wiegh in with billions to protect the euro

    ali...but the uk isn't in the euro, why should we carry the load when we are not even in the euro? We deliberatly stayed out of it because if one eu country goes, it takes every other euro country with it, look at Greece, look at Italy

    eu....you're in the eu so the euro is still your responsibility, cough up
     
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  13. Simply continuation of what Herr Sh*tler started - Lebensraum.

    Remember the relationship between the French and Germany in WW2 - they will continue it where possible IMO. The French do not like the English.
     
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  14. Amazing generalisation about the French.
    Au contraiare, they are friendly, dont mind where people come from, polite and just generally accepting of other people. More than can be said for some!
    Never confuse politics with the people of another country.
     
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  15. Fair point

    In regards to governments, I thought the recent "renewing of the vows" so to speak between the German and French governments in Aachen last Month showed how they themselves see europe and themselves as europe's leaders.

    It also, which i'm sure some of the smaller nation eu member governments feel, starts to give the impression of a two tier eu group. By that I mean if the eu blew up tomorrow there would be a core group of 4 or 5 members who put in more than they take out, trying to make an eu part deux and perhaps that is why the eu needs?
     
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  16. December it was at $1.25 per pound. This morning it's at $1.30 per pound. O woe is me :D
     
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  17. Spot on j Biker. My better half is French, so I would agree with your assessment !

    Never confuse the stuck-up Parisian cognoscenti who inhabit the corridors of French power with your average Gaul. If anything, during my recent conversations with the enemy I've been congratulated for attempting to escape the EU junta. Mind you, they are from Marseille, they f*cking hate Parisians and generally anyone that tells them what to do :joy::joy::joy:
     
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