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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Hahahahaha!

    "Hot take".

    : o D

    Oh dear Goat.

    When are you going to twig that the PM *is* the EU? (Or at least, a small but significant part of it).

    If you aren't going to be serious, I am not going to take what you say seriously.
     
  2. Is now a good time to point out what is always pointed out to Scots in particular, which is that the Tory PM is in place because that is THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE
     
  3. STUPID WILL! He knows nothing!

    Some Brexiteers, myself included, had some reservations over TM taking the PM spot. We thought she might not be the UK's best choice for Brexit ... but it was only later when we learned that she was actually the EU's best choice for "Brexit".
     
  4. The last time I checked Japan was not in Europe.

    It’s also that trade deal that’s killed Japanese investment in its car plants here.
     
  5. You've discounted any impact arising from the death of the diesel market. Why is that?
     
  6. I will let you know when I stop laughing at

    “We thought she might not be the UK’s best choice...”

    Scotland didn’t vote for her.
    The NI lot didn’t vote for her
    The Welsh didn’t vote for her

    It was the English that voted for her

    It was the English that voted for Corbyn

    It was the English that voted for Cable

    Just stating some facts.
     
  7. Because that affects every car manufacturer

    It’s only the Japanese that are closing major plants.

    Secondly, they will never lay any blame on Brexit, even if it’s only 10% of the picture.

    That would be a Gerald Ratner style move
     
  8. And there is the race card! Yay!

    No one who is not a Tory MP voted to have TM installed as PM prior to the 2017 GE. As I said, many Brexiteers did not want her.
    During the 2017 GE, she was the PM. It was her or Corbyn. Talk about tough choices!

    Had Brexiteers been given the option to put a Brexiteer PM in place, I'm pretty sure we would have done so.
    Even if that person had been Scottish, Irish or Welsh : o )
     
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  9. But parts of Africa are :thinkingface: what's the difference being within the European Continent (although we are an island too) does distance have a bearing on free trade deals? :bucktooth:
     
  10. I thought the process was that a ballot paper is produced and issued to all Conservative Members in the House of Commons, who indicate one choice from the candidates listed. That included the Scottish and Welsh Torries.
     
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  11. ... differently. "Because that affects every car manufacturer differently". You left out a word.

    Or are you saying that every car manufacturer is equally exposed due to the diesel down-turn, because the car industry is homogeneous?

    I assume that because of Brexit, the Japanese are re-locating to an EU country?

    Oh wait. No. Japan. Right. So it's because the UK is leaving the EU that the plants are being relocated but they are not being relocated to the EU, because of Brexit.
    Thanks for clarifying.

    That I can agree with. See, you can grasp realities when you try!
     
  12. Don't forget, Africa is part of the EU now. Guysie said so.
     
  13. playing the race card? ha, bit late for that sunshine.
    anyhoos. there will be plenty on non brexit reasons for this, and all the rest in the pipeline.
    https://grousebeater.wordpress.com/2019/03/03/the-benefits-of-brexit/
    By no stretch of the imagination is this an exhaustive list of every casualty of Middle England’s rampant xenophobia and catastrophic decision to ditch its European partners to become a delusional, renegade state free of foreigners.

    Whether you agree with a company’s activities, poor tax returns, or its very existence is immaterial. Jobs, livelihoods, and entire communities will be lost to the United Kingdom, the entity Unionists say they wish to preserve. Keep in mind, the companies here are the big names, most small ones that crash won’t get the same publicity. Many high street stores have already closed.

    More names will be added as and when companies announces closures or decamp their businesses from the UK to Europe or Ireland. Without independence and statehood, Scotland has nothing it can offer them, but we will be adversely affected by the departures, critically so, with massive unemployment.
    The British Government displays serious schizophrenia when even the crazed mind of arch Brexiteer and right-wing zealot Jacob Rees-Mogg of Capital Management warns the UK’s departure from the EU will cause “considerable uncertainty”, a very English understatement from a loopy airhead promoted by the media.


    1. Airbus: Chief executive Tom Enders warned in January that the firm could be forced to start shutting down UK plants and attacked Theresa’s May’s government for the prevailing state of chaos, saying: “It is a disgrace that, more than two years after the result of the 2016 referendum, businesses are still unable to plan properly for the future.” The aerospace group employs 14,000 people in Britain, including 6,000 jobs at its main wings factory at Broughton in North Wales and 3,000 at Filton, near Bristol, where wings are designed.
    1. Aviva: Britain’s second-largest insurer announced in February it will move £7.8bn worth of assets to Ireland as it prepares for Brexit.
    2. Bank of America Merrill Lynch: The US lender is spending $400m (£306m) to move staff out of London, Paris its new European HQ.
    3. Barclays: The British bank has moved £166bn of its clients’ assets to Dublin stating that it could not wait any longer to implement Brexit contingency plans. Barclays has also set aside a cool £150m in anticipation of Brexit chaos.
    4. Credit Suisse: The Swiss bank has moved 250 bankers to European financial hubs.
    5. Dyson: Sir James Dyson to relocate his company’s headquarters to Singapore.
    6. Jim Ratcliffe (Sir): The chemical engineer turned financier and industrialist, chief of INEOS, has relocated to Monaco for tax purposes.
    7. Ford: US motor giant will “safeguard its interest” including closing plants. A no-deal Brexit would cost Ford $800m (£613m) in 2019 due to World Trade Organisation tariffs and the impact of weaker sterling, the company has said.
    8. Goldman Sachs: Goldman states it is reaching the point of its Brexit contingency planning where it will start making irreversible business decisions over how many people it will move to the Continent. Announcement soon.
    9. Honda: The Japanese car giant to close its manufacturing plant in Swindon in 2021, culling 3,500 jobs, plus service companies.
    10. Jaguar Land Rover: UK’s Biggest car manufacturer cuts 4,500 jobs. More forecast.
    11. PMorgan Chase: The bank “past the point of no return”, 4,000 of 16,000 UK staff move to EU.
    1. Lloyds: Transferring all European Economic Area (EEA) business to new Brussels subsidiary before the end of 2020.
    2. Michelin: The tyre manufacturer to close its Dundee factory with a loss of 850 jobs.
    3. Moneygram: US money transfer giant moved its European HQs to Brussels.
    4. Nissan: The Japanese car company announced it will not make its new X-Trail SUV at its Sunderland factory, relocating manufacturing to Kyushu in Japan instead.
    5. Panasonic: The Japanese consumer electronics giant announced last August it would be moving its European headquarters from London to Amsterdam in the Netherlands to avoid potential tax issues linked to Brexit.
    6. P&O: All P&O ships operating in the English Channel will be under the Cypriot flag, not the British flag to keep tax arrangements in the EU and reduce risk of extra inspections and delays.
    7. Philips: Philips is closing its only UK factory, at Glemsford in Suffolk. All operations and 430 jobs will transfer to the Netherlands.
    8. Rolls-Royce: The engine maker announced 4,600 job cuts at its Derby plant by 2020, a move would help save around £400m a year. The company also confirmed it is pressing ahead with plans to shift design approval for large aero engines from Derby to Germany.
    9. Schaeffler: Automotive and industrial supplier Schaeffler is to close two sites in the UK, with “uncertainty” surrounding Brexit. Sites in Plymouth and Llanelli, South Wales, will close within two years with up to 500 jobs affected.
    10. Sony: Like Panasonic, the Japanese electronics giant is moving its European HQ from London to Amsterdam. According to the Dutch government, up to 250 companies were in talks to relocate to the scenic canal city as a result of Brexit.
      1. Toyota: Toyota slashed its profit forecast for 2019 and warned it will be impossible to avoid the harmful effects of a no-deal Brexit.
      2. UBS: Switzerland’s biggest bank chose Frankfurt as the base for its EU operations after Brexit. “We are operating on the assumption that there is no agreement.”
      3. Unilever: The consumer goods giant makes everything from Marmite to Domestos. It decided to scrap its dual-headquartered structure and make Rotterdam its main base. but currently is reconsidering dependent on the UK’s 29 March decision.
      And so it continues…..


     
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  14. I got to number 1 - an industry which doesn't have tariffs whether in or out of the EU - who also happened to know they were ceasing production of said plane at the time of these comments.

    Didn't bother with any others as it was a very poor start :blush:
     
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  15. thats why you know nowt.
    did you know that per capita we have 8x the farmland than rUK and food and drink is one of our biggies. who will suffer most from being out the EU with an American trade deal?
     
  16. Seems you know nowt to too 2 two :bucktooth: as you were posting cut and pasted 'pish' :thinkingface:
     
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  17. ah, so if you bury yer head in the sand and dont read up on the consequences of a decision, then there will be no consequences. coolio.
     
  18. Re read my reply - it obviously didn't sink in :yum
     
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