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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Is that Alex Salmond or John Higgins the snooker player? Maybe all Scots look the same.
     
  2. possaibly, all english sound the same...
    :p:D
     
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  3. ^^

    Except that British Steel was in the pan prior to the Brexit Ref.

    It was not going to be in a great position to do anything, let alone compete with cheap Chinese steel on the World stage. And British Steel had gotten into that position whilst the UK was in (and expected to remain in) the EU.
     
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  4. its a shame i dont see much of MrCraig of RavensCraig anymore. he would tell you that, yer aww full o pish.
    ravenscraig was making money, and the steelindustry was on the cusp of somthing big, due to the new blast furnaces they where developing, with the deep water ports ofthe clyde, where the largest boats could dock, about 30k jobs where coming.
    but they seen the writing on the wall, when the fella, cant mind his name, that overseen the closure of the coal yards was braught in to run brittish steel.
     
  5. ian mac gregor
     
  6. possibly, cant mind.
    it was a lack of investment that killed the industries. as they where mostly nationalized, we know who chose not to invest.
     
  7. you haven't forgot her name as well bro ?
     
  8. its unlikely
    tbh, she only set the tone. i guess it was easier (and more profitable for some) to offer loans, underwiten by uk public assets to foriegn companies to do it.
     
  9. them grey suits and dark corridors ahem.
     
  10. What is wrong with majority voting?
     
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  11. Given everyone in the current 28 were sold in the membership pack that we are all for one and one for all and now the eu commission want to remove that from the 28 nations, which will allow deals upon deals with the big boys in control and if your a smaller non conforming country you lose that equal status you mean?
     
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  12. Or because they believe all those who voted 'Leave' are unintelligent, English bigots who didn't understand what they were voting for and believed everything they were told about the EU by Farage/BJ et al, and really they're just trying to save Leavers from themselves and hope that many have now had their eyes opened, realise what a nightmare it will be without Junkarnierusk to save the UK, and will change their vote come another referendum. Dream on.
     
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  13. A lot. It's a terribly way to run things. It's just that democratic majority voting is one of the least harmful ways of conducting the business of government, compared to say, a dictatorship or ruling by means of rolling a dice.

    If a self-contained society of people (let's call it a "country"), decide upon a course of action based upon a majority vote, is it a good thing for that society to have their majority-vote over-ruled because it is out-voted by a collection of other societies? For example, what if the EU votes one way but then China votes the other?

    I know, I know. China is not in the EU. And neither would the UK be, if the majority vote in the EU Ref had been respected by the UK Establishment.

    Democracy scales up badly. It really does. The more people in a democracy, the more people who get pissed off when votes don't go their way. Thus, a "democracy" of 28 EU Member States, half-a-billion people, is less desirable than a smaller population of, say, 66M UK citizens. You can argue that 66M is still too many for a functioning democracy but I say to you in response - one step at a time. Let's just get out of the EU first, yeah? Then we can talk about the next step.
     
  14. Fucking hell, you're defo mental!
     
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  15. Yeah but they said that about King George III!
     
  16. As timely as ever, the snp can help :D

    Wee jimmy Krankie has for years been saying, we want to be in the eu because all 28 have the same voting powers so our voice will be heard.

    Now imagine how hard it would be to now tell Scots, erm the eu has changed the rules to a majority decision is enough. The same system as we have in the U.K. being part of 4 nations but now 27 other nations could vote against us and it would be carried as the all agreed or nothing is agreed system has been replaced. Good luck selling that puppy
     
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  17. My point was fin, part of the attraction of the eu for much smaller countries is that their 1 nation vote was just as important as say any of the top 5's 1 nation vote so Malta with 475,000 populations 1 vote was as equal as Germany's 83 million peoples 1 vote. The eu comission want to remove that and replace it with majority rule.

    If you are in the two thirds of countries who take out more than they put in, you have just lost your biggest bargaining chip of equality in the eu and for Scots, you have to remember, this equality of the 27 was something the snp have been pushing and pushing and pushing only to now find out it won't be there.

    It is a terrible change for smaller countries
     
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  18. Lol....I also can't understand some of what he is saying at 1 min 30 when he repeats what I actually did hear but then adds a bit. Was he demanding that the English stop asking for an English breakfast when holidaying in Scotland?
     
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