Not what you want you mean, why? What's your personal gripe with leaving? You are dodging the question
still banging away i see. you know, the way i see it, it's the remainers that are attempting to defend democracy in the UK. as much as 62% in just one "region" alone.
How does the 62% defend democracy when on the last two independence votes, the 62% (the snp)you mention has willingly taken part in those democratic votes, and refused to accept the results of both of those TWO votes. Yeah we want the people to have a vote, damn, not that result! You might get away with it once but to do it twice , you start to show your democracy only extends to when you win instead of the agreed democratic system? Pray tell preacher
But what about the oppressed in Haringey: they voted 75.6% in favour of Remain. Shouldn’t we all do what they want in support of them and their democratic rights?
Yes, but they are busy talking about Jack in the Green, and fighting the new houses wanted at Hook Lane.
and how their contribution of 200bil a year to the economy and 60bill tax contribution (excluding the big one, about 10% of the uk economy) a year is spent
yip. totally aware. its often the case in the uk that the ones that are aware are the ones paid to argue against what they know.
Are you saying fin that certian parts of the U.K. can refuse to accept democratic votes in the U.K. if they believe themselves not to be part of the U.K. or are you saying ho much you contributes means you have bought only answers you want when it comes to democracy?
i think i have a different definition of democracy to you. for me, the result should only be respected if promises to secure a result are, deliverable, honored and lawful also. i guess that's why we have GE's every five years.
its all in motion. noob. by yours and every brexiteer and then some admission, uk politics are a mess. its traditional partys are broken and their leaders incompetent. at best. are you suggesting that we should support what you and yours wont?
I'm stating the obvious fin U.K. mp's didn't listen to the electorates democratic majority vote to leave, so they got a kick in at the local elections, they still didn't listen and are now likely to get a massive kick in in the eu elections The snp insisted the people of Scotlands voices be listened to and have indi 1, they voted to stay in the U.k. The snp didn't listen. The snp tried raising indi 2 at the 2017 general election so the Scottish people fed up of the snp not listening, gave the snp a good kickin by removing a third of the snp mp's from parliament At what point do you think the snp politicians are listening and the U.K. politicians are not?
there you go again, not understanding the definition of a respected democracy again. using the UK's FPTP system in 2017 a majority of seats (60%) where won. not running on their core message. they didnt lose votes to other partys. they just didnt turn out for the vote. low turn outs are common place here. hold a GE now, i dares yah. in 2016 they where elected in a PR election to govern, with the biggest first preference vote in the history of the Parliament on a manifesto. the people elected them. with the Greens they are seeking to deliver on the terms they where elected on. that's how it works.
Okay Diane, let's look at your maths 2015 general election the snp had 56 mp's, tried to raise indi 2 in the general election 2017 and the scottish people removed snp politicians so they now have 35 So remind me how losing a third of the snp mp's from parliament in 2017, and those spaces were filled by other parties candidates who were voted for, is they didnt lose votes to other partys. they just didnt turn out for the vote. low turn outs are common place here Aw man, you're on fire this morning
the only person and party that made no to a 2nd reff was truthless Davidson. she got 13seats. hold another GE now.
no dodge intended apologies, there are a number tbh, and actually far from being selfish, there are many regions in the UK that receive net benefit from the EU. I voted remain because i believe that it is in their best interest. The impact on me will likely be net neutral from a standard of living point of view. The irony is that those that stand to lose the most actually voted to leave and if that is their wish then i'm happy to go along with their view. We will see inflationary pressure on food prices and possibly quality due to our heavy reliance on imports and the stopping of EU farmer subsidies. This will put pressure on families. The lack of detail and level of hyperbole in the leave campaign was astounding and i felt the arguments lacked credibility - I think it is highly unlikely especially given the level of incompetence in the government that better deals with the WTO can be struck. And as for the big red bus.. Gove, Boris, Reece Mog and Farage where leading the charge and i see no discerning value in any of them (not that the other side are much better). Despite the argument that Europe meddles in law making i'm yet to be presented with an example of a law that wasn't of benefit. the every car to be fitted with a speed limiter is a contender, but most cars have has these system fitted for years anyway and it's only a matter of time before the UK did it anyway. I think the propaganda that leave spouted has helped fuel a surge in the right wing nationalist movement which is not something with which i want to be associated. The language used by leave was to undermine the value the immigration into the UK. That said i am in favour of brexit in that I agree we should be able to control borders and i'd like to see a system in place that is based on country skill shortages rather than the approach that has been suggested i.e. must be highly skilled and must earn over 30K. This ignores regional needs like agriculture in the south east which requires seasonal unskilled labour as 1 example. The lack of understanding and a suitable plan even after 2 years is astounding. The preparations for leave should have been done in stealth, the approach we have taken has left us with quite a weak negotiating position and damaged market confidence, a lot of this stuff could have been planned and negotiated in the background ahead of a referendum. I rarely agree with noobs on this stuff, but he is right we need a decision. leave or remain (he won't agree with that) someone with big balls make a decision, stop the bickering, so we can all move on. I just hope we don't throw the baby out with the bath water.
