Do you dispute the Campaign messaging pushed out by Leave.EU during the referendum: that *nobody is talking about the leaving the Single Market*?
If I’m honest I don’t remember that, not to say it isn’t true. I do remember the remain campaign being mainly you must be a stupid racist to vote leave. Both campaigns were crap, weren’t they ?
Ahhhh, May's deal that everyone hates and Remoaners seem keen to foist upon any 2nd referendum ballot paper in the hope that it stinks that much, the other option of 'Remain' will be chosen. All very duplicitous and shows how underhand Remainians are. How about a straight, fair fight, I'd be up for that in a 2nd referendum. So again.......... Leave without a deal now. Stay in the EU. I'm up for that. Would you endorse that? You didn't answer 1st time.
You are in the minority of Remainians then. There's no way the establishment would allow that to be put to the public.
Do you not take the point that May's Deal was itself quite hard-Brexit? Leaving the Single Market and Customs Union, ending FoM. So given that during the original campaign, some Leavers had suggested we'd stay in the Single Market, it was already too Brexity for some...
okay, so what is your point? In the early stages people also suggested we could do a deal as you know but it was the eu that put the kybosh on that In the early days of campaigning, the remain side said it could get better terms by, and you may remember this "Staying in and changing the eu from within and yet, did they ? no. All the way through this, the extreme remainers have continued to never look beyond their own nose and acknowledge the eu has said all the way through, our deal or no deal. In fact it was the eu who has been no dealing longer than we have
Ok - so you want MORE than Leaving the Single Market, Customs Union, and ending FoM. What did you want in a negotiated Deal?
Okay gotta ask because at the moment it's like looking at a wounded animal what did you think leave the eu meant? and how would you normally use the word "leave"?
The option to leave that deal unilaterally when we decide to, not to be told we can't until the EU agree. How's that?
My point is: you keep banging on about respecting the Referendum, yet you know full well that the Leave Campaign(s) talked about all sorts of things which are no longer on the table: they actually barely talked about No Deal, and yet that is the option that you seem to now think there is a mandate for...?
I'm afraid that is just not how international treaties (of any sort) work. To mean anything at all, Treaty agreements have to specify how and when they can be ended / exited, and in pretty much all cases treaties can only be terminated *by mutual agreement* A treaty that one side can unilaterally pull out of, is a pretty worthless agreement. Because neither side can take the other to court, therefore it just makes no sense to agree something that the other side is not obliged to stick to *until such time as both sides agree to end it*.
Quite apart from that... we've had fecking three years to discuss all the complex possible arrangements for leaving the EU, and *after all that* what you're bothered by is that we can't exit the Withdrawal Agreement unilaterally??? (Which is TOTALLY normal) Frankly, that's the LEAST of our worries.
