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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Turnips and parsnips in season too.
     
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  2. Good news from radio 4 this morning.

    Brexit means British footballers will play more so the British national teams will get better and one of them will win the World Cup. :)

    Must be true, they interviewed John Barnes and he agreed.

    o_O
     
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  3. I saw silly leo babbling on and he let something slip. He said, even if we have a no deal brexit and you leave without a deal, the border issue still remains and would still be one of the first things we need to talk about.

    He was just confirming, we can leave, it can be on a clean break, the discussion around the border can be after we have left and it was never we can't leave, but more they used it as their last hope to stop us leaving
     
  4. There isn't really an ROI fishing fleet anymore, just a few independent boats that go out, and I mean a very small few. Most of the fishing boats in 'Irish' waters are Spanish. Massive great big factory ships that unload their catches onto Spanish lorries waiting on the quayside that then transport it by road to Spain. Ireland long since gave up 'its' fishing waters:(
     
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  5. Oh poo, Vince Cable is on Newsnight :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Who dug him up? :skull:
     
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  7. Go Bozza. :) Although the media will twist it onto relaxing immigration for tatty pickers from Romania. :rolleyes:

     
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  8. He still has the Saltire in the Union Jack, Finm's fooked o_O
     
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  10. Annoying bs.
    Money could have gone in to policing before now, I stopped watching at that point, could not stand the smell..
     
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  11. "So how did it come to this? Where are the loyal democrats as there were after the 1970s Referendum? Why are there British people who would clutch at any straws to deny the UK independence? The answer was given to me by one of my contacts “Leavers are not my sort of people”. They had conflated some personal adverse contacts with people arguing for independence with the News Media Remain propaganda and branded independence lovers as “bad” people. It is now the case that Remain supporters believe that they are the “good” people who love poor migrants, want to stop global warming and want the state to support the poor and needy. The fact that the EU has much, much higher levels of racism than the UK, now has a rapid return policy for migrants, has provided little support for ending global warming even though this has been an EU responsibility for almost 30 years and has implemented swingeing Austerity measures under the EU Stability and Growth Pact in countries from Greece to the UK is not mentioned or perhaps not even known. Remain supporters who like the EU are “our sort of people” even though, if they bothered to look, the EU is not their sort of place.
    There is an air of unreality about Remain supporters. They do not support the EU as it actually is but see themselves as a band of like minded good people seeking a holier future and have, because of the ruthless PR campaign by the Government before the Referendum and by Remain afterwards, mistakenly linked this feeling of political and personal superiority to the EU.
    The persistence of democracy depends on the population recoiling from labelling whole groups of people as evil, democracy depends on a sizeable proportion of the population being able to address ideas on their merits. The racist mentality is bad whether it is found in loud Leavers or self righteous Remainers".



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  12. Did he rap it though?

    John Barnes can't be taken seriously unless he speaks in a rap stylee, fact :punch:
     
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  13. What amazes me is the absolute shambles that is the Labour Party.

    They couldn't mix messages more if they tried and even when you hear any of them speak it's obvious that they're having to think extremely carefully how they say something as much of it is contradictory.

    Example, Andy McDonald (Shadow transport) was on sky news this morning, I'll paraphrase but essentially it went like this

    AM: No Deal brexit is bad

    Sky: What would labour do?

    AM: Negotiate a deal

    Sky: But you voted against TM deal

    AM : But we'd negotiate a different deal

    Sky: The Eu have clearly stated that they won't reopen the WA

    AM: Yes but what's Boris Johnson done so far

    Sky: We're asking what you would do as Labour

    AM : We'd negotiate a new deal with the Eu, they were receptive to our idea of staying in a customs union and us mirroring rights and standards

    Sky: But that's not leaving the EU Mr McDonald, and didn't your constituency vote to leave, and didn't labour stand on a manifesto to honour the vote to leave?

    AM: Yes but our plan would be to leave, but just not leave too far...............

    Sky: So you'd rather remain?

    AM: No, we'd negotiate a different deal

    Sky: :rolleyes:


    The worst thing about this is that it's actually true, genuinely as much as it's paraphrase that is essentially what he said, even the part of 'leaving but not too far'

    Look, I'm not getting at the Labour Party more so than the Tories, but it just proves that they're simply hell bent on getting to power they're just making everything up on the fly with no coherent direction or leadership.

    Bunch of jokers frankly
     
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  14. This sums up UK politics..... Thanks :upyeah:
     
  15. People like gardiner/starmer/cooper are too afraid when they say we will renegotiate a new deal to say, We will keep the single market and basically everything but be brexit in name only, and you can see why they eu might renegotiate.

    It's that difficulty of being honest for Labour and saying we will refuse to accept or carry out a democratic majority peoples vote to leave and only accept democratic votes we like. No party want's to be the first to say it in those plain words but those are what Labour are proposing
     
  16. Interesting to watch Portillo: The Trouble With The Tories last night, as he interviewed many current and ex- MPs to get their take on the last 30 years of Government and the Euro question, and how it has always been a problem for the Conservatives, causing deep party divisions and the hope that a referendum would keep the party together.

    That went well then!

    :D
     
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  17. This^^

    A big part of my problem with the referendum, I think it is trojan horse for many in the Tory party to get their ways. Genuinely I dont think they care about the country or the people. Just a narrow hard line view of part of the party and timing/circumstances has played in to their hands.
     
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