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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. birthday?
     
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  2. Aye.

    no. it's from W.O.S.
     
  3. [​IMG]
     
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  4. Dickie Davis wrote it?
     
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  5. And yet none of the outraged mps have done anything in over 3 years to progress this whole fiasco, more fool them.

    The fact he's not actually gone past the deadline day though is a bit of a gimme, they still have time to try and fuck this up even more and got for yet another extension, it's so tedious.
     
  6. showing yer age there 749
     
  7. Fuckery is a given. And it won't come from who you are expecting.

    You'll see.
     
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  8. My list is fairly long Loz, in a rough yet not exact order i suspect the fuckery and further derailing of any decision on Brexit to come from these prime specimens:

    Bercow
    Eu Judge
    Miller
    Grieve
    Hammond
    Major
    Steptoe
     
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  9. So. No BoJo in that list. I see.
     
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  10. i guess you haven't heard about the legal case Joanna Cherry QC and others had already started to stop boris closing parliment.
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    The parliamentarians had lodged the legal action at the country’s top civil court last month, and a substantive hearing in the case is scheduled for next Friday, but yesterday’s events forced the petitioners to call for the process to be speeded up.

    The SNP MP Joanna Cherry is the lead petitioner on the case. She told The National that as the Queen had already published the order calling for Parliament to be prorogued, the politicians would be asking the court for a suspension rather than an interdict.
     
  11. Interesting :thinkingface:

    So you think that Bojo will out Bojo....Bojo? o_O
     
  12. Can’t see a court overruling a Monarch myself.
     
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  13. aye, its a strange democracy we use and promote in the UK.
     
  14. I see BoJo doing a compromise deal in order to safeguard BoJo.

    This could be BRINO, Art50 extension, 2nd Ref ... who knows. I am rubbish at predicting methodologies but I'm ace at interpreting motivation : o )

    The proroguing of Parliament is not the Silver Bullet that Leavers believe it is. It looks more like window-dressing to me and we've seen a lot of that from the "Conservatives".
     
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  15. This could be BRINO, Art50 extension, 2nd Ref ... who knows. I am rubbish at predicting methodologies but I'm ace at interpreting motivation : o )
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    teehee. bots cant do anything other than programmed logic. humans aint logical. tho, tbf, some have been programed.
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    there is a precedent here.
    Before the news officially came through that the Queen has approved Boris Johnson's prorogation request, this was my reaction on Twitter -

    "Rather appropriate that the Queen is in Scotland as she receives the phone call asking her to suspend democracy. I wonder if she'll 'purr' down the line. I certainly hope she 'thinks very carefully' about her decision..."

    Of course I was being slightly mischievous there, because I'm sure the Queen's advisers will have told her that she didn't really have a decision to make. Convention dictates that she must accept a request for prorogation prior to a Queen's Speech. However, there are other circumstances in which convention does still allow her some discretion, and we may be hurtling towards those circumstances. ITV's political editor Robert Peston reported earlier that a government source had told him: "If MPs pass a no confidence vote next week, then we'll stay in No10, we won't recommend any alternative government we'll dissolve Parliament and have an election between 1-5 November -- and that means no time for legislation."

    If the government goes down that route of temporary, outright dictatorship, then the Queen can stop them. She has the power to sack Boris Johnson as Prime Minister with immediate effect if she concludes that he no longer has the confidence of the House - and if he's just lost a vote of no confidence, such a conclusion would be a no-brainer. Convention does not prevent her from taking action, and the modern precedents are clear. In 1975, the Governor-General of Australia sacked the Prime Minister Gough Whitlam and replaced him with the opposition leader. The Governor-General exercises exactly the same powers on behalf of the Queen that she exercises on her own behalf in the United Kingdom. And within her own reign, there's an example of her using her discretion on the selection of a Prime Minister - in 1963, she went ahead and appointed the Earl of Home as PM, ignoring advice from Harold Macmillan to wait until further soundings had been taken among Tory MPs.

    My guess is that the Queen is so allergic to being seen to intervene in the political process (except to stop Scotland governing itself, obviously) that there isn't a cat in hell's chance of her using her power to eject an illegitimate Prime Minister. But the problem for her is that the government will have put her in a position where she has no option but to make a political decision, one way or the other. Doing nothing will in itself be a decision, and it'll make her the midwife of a No Deal Brexit. That could be a catastrophic error that would destroy the monarchy's reputation among a whole generation of pro-EU citizens.
     
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  16. Frightening innit a 93yr old decaying fossil with all of our futures in her hands, time for a big change ?
     
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  17. : o D

    You old troglodyte.

    : o D
     
  18. George Soros is only 89, ya muppet. FS.
     
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  19. who the fvck is George Soreass ?
     
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  20. The Crown can take The Crown to court
     
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