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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. You would think that tax was the only thing that affected your cost of living ?

    All those people who lets say may end up laying something stupid like £5000 a year more, how many of them are going to move to England to pay £50k more for the same house and £50k more per child for their university. Also to live in a country with far more congestion and much higher population density. There is a monetary value to quality of life
     
  2. Time you moved out of that overpriced, overpopulated hell-hole :p
     
  3. Xenophobe :D
     
  4. But I want to be able to contribute and still live in the UK.

    Wait. What?

    The education isn't "charitable" but is paid for through taxes? So it's neither charitable nor free? WTF?
     
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  5. Scotland is still in the UK - all good, you will be welcomed.
    I believe you said it was charitable, I said it was free but didn't elaborate that free was to the users - kind of like giving stuff to your kids so they look after you in later life by wiping your bum and stuff
     
  6. So it's a bribe then?
     
  7. A bribe to better yourself and increase the prosperity of the country and help your future generations - perhaps, you decide
     
  8. Wait. Scottydogland voted against independence in the referendum and so left the UK. We know this because the UK voted to leave the EU but remained in the EU. That's how it works, right?

    As for University, if it costs money, it isn't free. What difference does it make who is paying for it? If someone isn't paying for it it ain't free. Why are you saying it's free when it isn't?

    And finally, why do I have to wait so long for my kids to "wipe my bum and stuff"? Why would I want that at any point in my life?
    Are you one of those pleasure-delayer types, Harry? Cos that would be weird.
     
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  9. I believe you have been talking to people regards your first comment, it will become clear one day in the distant future where each country resides ;)
    Your second comment is correct but I was saying 'free to user' but paid for by someone else (taxpayers - which is nice of them) only I didn't initially make the 'free to user' distinction so my apologies. Think of Boris on campaign trail taking a dirty great lick out of an ice-cream then handing it to you, the is free to you but paid for by taxpayers (with the VAT reclaimed by Boris' tongue)
    You can get your kids to wipe your bum now if you like - it's apparently a free (different kind of free) country :eek: but you don't have to if you don't want them to - you just have that option :upyeah:
     
  10. Wut.

    "Free to user"? What difference does that make?
    It still costs someone money. Instead of the term "free", can we agree that we use the term "education paid for by enforced contributions regardless of any benefit to the payer himself or society as a whole"?

    I'm not certain but I feel vaguely reassured by whatever it is you may have just said. Should I feel reassured?
     
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  11. I would appreciate if you could apply these arguments to HS2 which Scotland is paying for and getting no benefit from.

    It would be useful to compare the £56billion cost of HS2 to what Scotland pays to provide its inhabitants with fee free university education as well as what it’s annual funding is from the U.K. Gov.

    Don’t be surprised to find your argument to fall apart very quickly
     
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  12. In your dreams Noob.
     
  13. You might be surprised on Monday
     

  14. Scotland and the North of England are expected to benefit greatly from improved transport links integrated with HS2.

    ‘Plans on how rail links between England and Scotland could be improved to capitalise on High Speed 2 (HS2) are ramping up.

    The plans are being developed over two feasibility studies which will form the basis of a business case which will be submitted in late 2019 to both the Scottish and British governments for consideration. Further feasibility studies are expected to follow at a later date.

    The first study, which was commissioned by Transport Scotland, on behalf of the HS2 to Scotland Working Group, started in March and is expected to be published by the end of the year.

    Consultant Arup carried out the work which looked into a range of options to improve connections the east coast main line (ECML) between Newcastle and Edinburgh, and on the west coast main line (WCML) between Abington and Glasgow.

    The second study is planned to start in January next year, but will focus on an “undisclosed geographical area”.

    “These potential infrastructure enhancements, if implemented, would provide a truly transformational improvement in connectivity between the major towns and cities in the north of England and Scotland,” said Transport Scotland High Speed Rail Project Manager Alastair Young. “The Scottish Government supports the ambition of high speed rail to improve the capacity of the rail network, relieve overcrowding, improve reliability and deliver a more productive economy by bridging the north-south divide, increasing trading, boosting tourism and regenerating the towns and cities it serves.”

    The ECML study includes options for how capacity on the line could be increased and significant reductions in journey time between Newcastle and Edinburgh (reduced by 30 mins to 1 hour), Newcastle and Glasgow (1 hour 40 mins from 2 hours 40 mins), and Newcastle and Aberdeen (3 hours).

    The study also included ways in which in conjunction with HS2 phases 1 and 2, the journey between London and Glasgow / Edinburgh could be reduced by 2 hours to just 3 hours.

    On the WCML the study looks into ways of significantly increasing capacity north of Abington and a sub 1 hour journey time between Carlisle and Glasgow. It also looks into creating a new local and cross-border interchange station within the Eurocentral business park with direct cross-border links to north west and north east England and London and the creation of a new cross-border station on the existing rail network near Livingston.

    The work is being carried out as a result of a joint commitment made by the UK and Scottish governments in March 2016. As a result of the agreement, a North of HS2 to Scotland Working Group, comprising of representatives from the DfT, Transport Scotland, HS2 Ltd and Network Rail was formed.

    The group had already identified a short-list of options which it said merited further investigation from around 200 potential infrastructure interventions that had been identified from previous studies.

    These interventions ranged from relatively small projects such as remodelling of junctions and re-profiling of individual curves, to large scale interventions such as relatively long new route sections that could bypass congested or constrained sections of the existing West and East Coast Main Lines.’
     
  15. I can't stand the guy personally , surely no one will vote this self satisfied say anything scuzzer back into parliament?
     
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  16. Boris should just roll with the punches now and wait until an election in November. Sit tight and let the Remoanians do their worst until they can be put up for re-election.

    If has to ask for an extension by law, ask for it. He should not break the law or resign. Make a statement outlining that he has been stopped legally from carrying out his promise of leaving on Oct 31st by a hostile parliament, and that he will let the public decide in a election whet they want to do, but we will end this one way or another. If elected with the required majority, he will leave "do or die" on Jan 31st. The public will view what has went on and make their decision.

    Hopefully he gets a majority, but I hope he goes down the non aggression pact route with The Brexit Party and ditches the surrender treaty negotiated with May, once and for all.

    He's going to face a full on hostile campaign from all the opposition parties who don't want to leave The EU, full stop, plus the media. It's not about no deal, it's about not leaving at all. They'll throw his brother at him, ask why we never left on Oct 31st, even though they blocked it, etc. etc.

    He'll wipe the floor with the lot of them in debates and with Farage on side he could be unstoppable.

    If he doesn't form a non aggression pact and tries to sell a version of May's deal, he will be gone either way.
     
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  17. Eh? why not compare it to the building of the great wall of China? Or Hadrians wall for that matter or even the moon landings? :p
     
  18. I can see Hadrian's Wall from my house, and the moon. :) Strange that I can't see The Great Wall of China, but it is visible from space. :confused:

    We live in confusing times. o_O
     
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  19. It isn't visible from space, remainer rhetoric I'm afraid o_O
     
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