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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Bojo will not get his deal approved in parliament.
    DUP will not approve it
    Corbyn will not back it
    Libs will not back it
    Hardline Tories will not like it
     
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  2. Corbyn won't back anything as that means he has to make his position clear, something he's unable and likely unwilling to honestly do.

    Libs won't as they don't want brexit regardless of any deal, someone that's a given.

    The SNP won't ever agree anything unless it starts and ends with another indi vote

    The DUP and ERG, plus some more flexible (leave representative) labour mps just might vote along with it.
     
  3. Flexible Leave Labour MPs face almost certain expulsion from the Party if they vote with the Government.

    If they won't quit the PLP because Labour has become the party of open antisemitism ... what makes you believe they will take a principled stand over British Independence?
     
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  4. Because they're all out for themselves, and as a survival mechanism it's more probable they'll do the right thing by their constituents as in the upcoming election they'd definitely be voted out if they didn't, where as being booted out of the party by the momentum corbynista bunch is less nailed on and they'd at least stand a chance.
     
  5. Nicola Sturgeon said in ANDREW Marr this morning said she won’t back it.

    interesting to see she answered every question apart from 1, Patel on the other hand didn’t answer one question
     
  6. Don't really agree with this. The reasons are complex.

    In the past, MPs tried to stay on the good side of their constituents but that game has changed.
    A more direct path to political oblivion these days is showing Party disloyalty and getting shit-canned by the leadership. Caught between two competing paths to survival, MPs will tend to go with solidarity with the leadership, retaining the whip, and hoping that party loyalty of the constituents will see them through the next election despite their obvious contempt for the wishes of the constituency.
    We've how this works. Under May, there was at least one, and maybe more, Tory MP who was deselected by the Local Constituency Party, only to be over-ruled by CCHQ. It's my belief that MPs will treat constituency anger as the lesser of two evils.

    You will ask me now why 21 Tory MPs risked losing the whip (and actually did so) when voting against the Government over taking No Deal off of the negotiating menu. I believe that this is because those 21 MPs are confident that by the next election, British Independence will have been scuppered, either immediately by Brexit being cancelled, or constructively, by means of a May WA v2.0.
    When the dust settles on that, and Remainers again hold sway over the Tory Party, those whipless MPs will be welcomed back with open arms.

    With Labour, MPs with ambition and no principles will go with whatever Reichsfuhrer McDonnell, through his glove puppet Corbyn, decree. Historically, most (but not all) Labour voters have only voted Labour to frustrate the Tories, rather than through any real belief in Socialism/Marxism - thus Labour MPs can do anything they like ... dishonest, criminal, degenerate ... and generally, voters will still vote for them. Because they aren't Tories.

    Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
     
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  7. Jeremy Corbyn on Sophie Ridge this morning, and being played all day no doubt, said that it's unlikely that he'd vote for the deal Boris is working on, and one of the reasons he gave is

    "if it creates a border down the Irish Sea rather than the Irish border itself then I can see that creating problems "

    So what I'm struggling with here is what exactly would jezza do?

    I thought the overall message coming from politicians was that they didn't want a border in Ireland, a hard border at least, so what else could JC possibly have in mind?
     
  8. I think he sees it as not his problem and will do anything to crank up the pressure on Johnson
     
  9. Yes but this is coming from a man who says he wants a GE and also says he'd go to negotiate a better deal with the eu on leaving, so surely he has an answer.

    The man talks in pure riddles
     
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  10. maybe a C/U compromise for the whole UK. corbyns no daft. he knows he cant afford a socialist england without Scottish resources.
     
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  11. He does, he doesn’t have an answer. Just questions for BJ that can’t be answered
     
  12. He's a true Marxist.

    "Give me power, I'll give you everything. Details to follow."
     
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  13. Sturgeon has said she will refuse anything other than staying in, she also has the luxury of not being the national government in negotiations with the eu
     
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  14. I hope for his sake he doesn't :worried:
     
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  15. You can see her dipping her toe in every now and again hoping some daft apeth will pick up on it and say, please run again Hilary
     
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  16. I've heard two theories about the Wicked Witch of the West - she's finished and she's running.

    My assessment is - she won't waste herself in 2020 and she won't be healthy enough in 2024.
    My wish list: she ends up in a penitentiary for her crimes against the USA and the rest of humanity. More evil than the worst imaginable Trump as dreamed up by TDS sufferers.
     
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  17. Some are theorising that today’s queens speech is a plot to effectively force a vote of no confidence via the queens speech failing to get parliamentary approval leaving the U.K. to fall out of the EU by default.

    the only things which will stop it are

    1) the opposition voting in favour of the queens speech
    2) the court of session signing the letter requesting an extension to our current relationship with the EU or it authorising someone like The Speaker to do so
     
  18. Aha, it's Berow's fault :p
     
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