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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. As I've said, some will definitely still for both Labour and Tory, I just think that Labour are more exposed to lose voters not only due to the Lib Dems taking a big old chunk but also because Corbyn simply isn't seen as leadership material. TBP will of course take some votes off the Tories

    We can all choose to view the many multiples of polls in various ways, but the one constant throughout them all is that Corbyn isn't popular outside of the inner bubble.
     
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  2. Personally I can see a Tory + TBP coalition happening
     
  3. I'm getting a vague sense of deja vu here. Landslide of 36 seats ring any bells?
     
  4. No, remind me please
     
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  5. And me, did Corbyn win something at any point in time?
     
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  6. You would have to be OK with voting for a party that even after ten years cannot actually deliver any results. Perhaps thats harsh, maybe they only need another five years to balance the books or sort out Law & Order, Immigration & Brexit -the policies they always run on...
     
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  7. No one is intent upon "sorting" Law & Order or Immigration. To do so would undermine the Establishment's goals. You'll ask me to explain this, of course.

    "Balancing the books" is not a priority, it's a brand. Tories "balance the books", Labour "invests in the country" ... these are brands. They are ways of signalling to the electorate that if you are tired of one side, you can vote for the other and "make a difference". The laughable thing is, in the 40 years I have been paying attention ... nothing really fundamental changes. Vote Labour, vote Tory, the changes are cosmetic.

    Brexit won't be sorted. It is the new world order and nothing can stop it. The best an ordinary citizen can hope for is temporary derailments and delays.
     
  8. In fairness to Boris, like him or not, he's a billion times more charismatic than the empty void of TM.

    I've seen more human carrots than her, a fucking lump of white dog shit on a stick could have woo'd a crowd better than she could.

    The thing about Corbyn is he's often regarded as being successful because he managed to remove the majority from the Tories, that's just insane to think

    Labour have lost ground on every vote under him since

    He couldn't even win against TM (see white dog shit comparison)

    How in the hell is he in any way shape or form successful? He's been staring at an open goal for the last 3.5 years, 1ft away from the goal line, and all he's managed to do so far is make 3 or 4 run ups and tripped over his untied shoelaces every time.

    He's not a leader or a winner or a statesman, he's simply not electable
     
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  9. For me it’s more like 40 months :)

    This will probably sound daft, but I think whoever is ‘running’ the country makes very little difference to the majority of people.
     
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  10. The vote was within 2% last time. Corbyn lost but not by much.

    A scenario might be UKIP2 take 3% of the vote puting Tories into second place in a a few constituencies, LIBs take a few seats from Tories in the South East and maybe Scotland.

    SNP and LAB could easily be the most likely to form coalition.
     
  11. On the basis Phillip Hammond is live on Sky News right now and saying that a general election is a bad idea and he doesn't think it should happen, I really really think we should all get behind a general election.

    I'm glad he cleared that up for me
     
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  12. I'll take good intentions over personality seven days a week.

    Boris' personality interests me not one bit. It was important for BoJob when he is sat on the host seat of HIGNFY but not when he is sat in No 10. Personality in a politician is a Nice to Have, not Need to Have. BoJob has personality but no useful content. Corbyn has neither. Farage has no personality (worth having) but has he worthwhile content? I'll take that chance, seeing as no other options exist.

    If charisma was truly important to me, I suspect I'd be indulging in TDS behaviours in the Trump thread. Instead, I am interested in intent and results. Far more important to me.
     
  13. Yes and now I'm reading Corbyn hasn't got a chance, Corbyn isn't liked, Corbyn blah blah.

    Anybody who thinks Corbyn is still leader of the LAB by fluke is spending too much time on this forum believing old middle class Ducati riders mumbling through their desktops...
     
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  14. 2% is pretty close, much closer than the referendum result with the difference being 4%:thinkingface:

    I can now understand why people chalk up Corbyns loss as a win ;)
     
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  15. But who'd win out of White dog shit vs Corbyn?
     
  16. Corbyn is still leader because he has no competition - no decent human being wants to rub shoulders with anti-Semites and Momentum.
     
  17. I'll check with George S and get back to you.

    Wait. Trick question - white dog shit hasn't been seen since the '80's, it no longer exists.

    Answer is: White dog shit
     
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