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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. although. the national survey closed the other day so will be interesting to see the results
     
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  2. No it doesn't.
     
  3. [​IMG]
     
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  4. :Wacky::p
     
  5. I'm still struggling with why some people are so reluctant to see that our country already does huge amounts of trade with non EU nations, as such it's nothing new, clever or particularly taxing.

    Being out of the EU may very well make things 'ever so slightly' more complex than it is already to deal with a country within the EU, But that's it!

    When I say complex I guess that's a description for the inept or the mentally challenged

    On the flip side dealing with countries outside of the EU may very well become much easier and cheaper.
     
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  6. As i understand it our trading with non-EU countries is done via terms agreed with the EU and is the same for all EU countries.

    So once we leave, we need to agree new terms on which to trade with these non-EU countries.
     
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  7. Have a read of this, whilst it doesn't directly answer your question, I hope you read it without worrying and with an open mind. Try optimism as opposed to pessimism

    The truth about Britain's trade outside the European Union

    The whole pessimistic whirlwind about trade deals this, and trade deals that, is grossly exaggerated and completely unnecessary.

    Talk of 'free' access to 'the single market' (what an arrogant description that is) is nothing short of a smokescreen, I'm afraid that's basic fact.

    We pay a 'membership' to the EU. That membership is basically paying the tariff upfront (amongst other things)

    Think of a gym membership. You can either pay £5 each time you go, so 3 days per week, 4 weeks on average means you pay £60/month

    Or instead you can pay membership of £50/month which is cheaper and a better deal right?

    This doesn't mean you don't pay each time, you simply do so before arriving each day.

    However, let's say you can no longer commit to 3 days per week, and you only go twice, therefore you're still paying the 'cheaper price' of £50, but if you actually paid each time it would only cost you £40 (£5/session)

    Now apply that same theory to trade with the EU.

    If our membership fees have steadily increased over the years, but what we buy / sell to the EU in terms of trade has steadily decreased, then pound for pound spent the percentage of membership (tariff) associated with each trade has gone up.

    It is not free.......it's just not.


    Now, just to try and tackle the rules, regulations and laws

    As / when we leave the EU, we can (and most likely will) simply absorb all the current rules, regulations and laws of which we trade under

    Why?

    Well, Firstly they're in place and widely accepted as common practice amongst businesses world wide, therfore no rocking of boats immediately and things simply tick along

    Secondly not all will be detrimental to business and probably make sense.

    However those that don't (of which they'll be many) can be adjusted, tweaked or scrapped all together over a period of time.

    I genuinely do believe that the current hysterics about trade deals, tariffs and the like, is grossly exaggerated and completely unnecessary.

    The ports are not going to shut, neither are the airports or banks, although the latter may be feasible if you're in mainland Europe and reside in Italy, Spain or Greece as an example.

    The whole world has vested interest in keeping some kind of continuity and equilibrium, therefore the less waves the better.

    Contrary to what Mr Junker says (not necessarily thinks) the rest of the world will happily trade with the UK, regardless to whether we're a fully paid up member of the EU gym club or 'pay as you go'.

    So when Mr Junker and his cronies next stick their chest out, whilst waving the naughty naughty finger at us, just remember it's nothing more than a threat from a man trying to keep the rest of his members paying by direct debit and in check.

    We've questioned his vision and he doesn't like that, that's fine, he'll take his ball home and we'll play with some other mates.


    Change in business (and government) is good.

    It helps people refocus what's actually important and steers them to more positive reform, something that the EU has proven time and time again that it's incapable of doing.
     
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  8. snake oil.
    deals, we know we are gonna get em. anything at the right price right?
    whose gonna make up the tax take short fall?
    1.6trill in debt probably 2trill by 2020 (despite the economic conditions of the last 7 years) that should help you refocus. and when May sticks out her chest and says i'm for the working people.....you know the rest.
    meanwhile in another yoonivers (deliberate misspell) tory msp's are tweeting company's shouldn't pay tax because they dont get a vote.
    wakey wakey boys and girls.
     

  9. Well we need immigrants from Scotland if we are banning them from the EU :D
     
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  10. if there wasn't any truth in that it would of been....... yadda yadda yadda. :smileys:
     
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  11. You are quoting from the Telegraph from a known right wing Tory with a vested interest. They always quotes UK this and that but the majority of the big companies based in the UK are not UK owned and have no particular interest in Britain or its future other than its currently the best place for them to be as it allows free access to EU trade without having to invest in Euros, even India told May that was the case. If that is no longer the case in two years and they are better off based in Frankfurt, Spain or France then they will leave. The fact is the UK government will have to give big financial incentives to get these companies to remain in the UK so we will still be no better off financially. However, you and I will be worse off as we will have to pay the tariffs, not the government.

    Trade is only one part of the EU membership benefits that I would like us to keep. I like to be able to travel round Europe as i wish without having to ask permission every time. I like the fact there has been no conflict in EU countries since they joined. I like having a close relationship with our European neighbours. I like the fact i can buy goods on the internet from Europe without any issue, delay or additional cost.

    My concern is the way this country is being dictated to by a very small band of right wing wealthy Tories who want to ignore Parliamentary debate, ignore those who don't agree with them (the majority of whom are the future of this Nation), ignore the rule of law and have allowed a non-elected bunch from another Party actually dictate their own Party policy.
     
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  12. wonder why ukip have been getting so much airplay over the last 10years? they have 1mp? a small handful of MEP's that rarely do their job. the lowest numbers of members out the 5main party's, they have pretty much zero support up here, yet there never out the news, or on the couch getting interviewed. hmm. 10mins ago i was accused of flogging a dead horse. well, all i can say is, it wasn't me that killed yah.
    wakey wakey boys and girls.
     
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  13. You could say the same for the SNP who do not have a single mp outside of Scotland and the leader of that party is not even a member of the houses of parliament?
     
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  14. but they are in the uk parliament. representing and defending many uk citizens.
     
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  15. Ukip are news because they are the reason the referendum was held. They may only have one MP but the tipping point was coming a runaway first in the Euro elections. They did what insurgent political parties do. They harried the big boys and forced the debate onto their ground. They are called populist but populism really means shallow opportunism. Its sticking your finger in the air to see which way the political wind is blowing and then adopting whatever stance you think will propel you to power. In that sense Blair was more populist than Ukip. They were hammering away at their cause before it became popular. They shaped public opinion rather than simply exploited it.
    It'll be interesting to see what happens to them under Paul Nuttall's leadership. If he can bring some discipline and May calls a general election they could destroy the Labour party which has abandoned the working class vote. On the other hand if May can convince on a resolute Brexit, the Tories could soak up the Ukip vote. Either way the big loser is going to be Labour. Even if the SNP don't hold onto their monopoly in Scotland, the competition is more likely to be the Scottish Conservatives than Labour.
    For all that I hope a general election won't be necessary, even though I'm certain it would only strengthen the Brexit cause, because we've wasted enough time and money on pantomime already. We need to get on with things.
     
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  16. Interfering with English politics, you say? Double standards, you say? Hypocrisy, you say? :Hilarious:
     
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