British Indy: What Happens Now?

:Hilarious:. confirmed.

 

A racist wins person of the year? :tearsofjoy:

Who next Attila the Hun?

Farage's mate, Adolf?

Or maybe Chairman Mao?

There is still Gengis Khan to consider too. :tonguewink:

 

Yes, you are missing something. Any deal which is negotiated, if it was to take effect, would have to be approved by the other 27 democratically elected governments and democratically elected parliaments of 27 member states, plus the democratically elected European Parliament. Not to mention the UK Parliament (half democratically elected).

If the negotiating phase took 18 months, that would leave only six months to secure all these approvals - such a hugely ambitious schedule that it seems inconceivable it could be achieved. Then again, so many inconceivable things have happened in 2016 that we can hardly rule it out on that account. At any rate, the Commission plans to try.

At risk of stating the bleedin' obvious, if the negotiations took the full two years that would leave no time at all for the vastly complex approvals phase. So there would be no deal.

 

It is becoming clear why the government has been so hesitant about setting out what outcome it would hope and plan to achieve in Brexit negotiations.

Just consider for a moment: What would be the optimal deal? What would be the best deal the UK could hope to achieve which the other 27 member states and the European Parliament would accept?
Obviously the best possible deal is the one the UK has right now, as an EU member state. Clearly any other deal will be and must be by definition worse. But the UK government cannot possibly say this openly without giving the game away. Somehow they have to contrive a way of specifying negotiating objectives which are worse than the current situation whilst pretending that they are somehow better.

This will necessarily involve a lot of work, a lot of spin, and a lot of lies, thus taking several months to prepare and reveal by slow degrees. And that is the phase we are in at present.

 

Some interesting facts on trade deals here from the CBI.

http://www.cbi.org.uk/business-issu...ness-facts/10-facts-about-eu-trade-deals-pdf/

Also shows how difficult negotiating new deals will be.

Switzerland has 38 separate trade deals. China has free access to Swiss market but Switzerland has to wait 15 years to be able to do the same in China.

 

17.4 million people disagreed with you Pete.

 

No mate, you are not very good at negotiating. :wink:

 

yip,loz its the english way.
its gonna be funny(not) watching the torys destroying its own scotland bill. that was finalized only 8mths ago. when i say it's i mean every amendment to the bill proposed by every Scottish MP bar one (guess which one) was voted down by english MP's. Doh.
how will the media report that one?

 

you could always threaten them with a loss of forum discount on yer tat exe.

 

you could always threaten them with a loss of forum discount on yer tat exe.

 

I suppose 'the best deal' largely depends on short or long term views from a financial perspective, amongst other things.

The best financial deal we can get from the EU will depend on whether the current payments we make outweigh the likely tariffs applied for trading in to the single market. Do we save or does it cost us more? That'll take years to figure out.

However, You also have to take in to account other benefits (as viewed by some) that we should be in a better place to control immigration and our own laws.

That may well be irrelevant to you, but to many that's a price worth paying as opposed to keeping globalisation as the primary objective, which isn't exactly beneficial to all.

Equally longer term given that leaving the EU allows us to strike trade deals of our own with other nations it's very possible, and plausible, that overall we could be much better off financially as a nation as and when they start to happen.

The world is getting smaller and so heavy reliance on European trade isn't necessarily required.
Logistics is becoming cheaper, faster and more reliable. And so shipping goods in via land from Europe isn't hugely cheaper than flying in from further afield. Of course by water things are much cheaper but then you have the time frame to account for.

Of course we don't know what any other deals will be yet, but it would seem that many other countries, USA being one, are happy to start discussing free trade deals with us.

Maybe that's optimistic, but I'd rather be optimistic as opposed to scared in to 'more of the same' purely because leaving takes us in to the unknown.

Nothing is a sure thing, but that's the risk we're taking

 

And 16.1 million agree with him, many of them Tory voters. They ignore those at their peril.