When you have a team, in this case a cabinet, then not everyone will be a robot. Even those who all agree the end result must happen, will have different views and wishes, that is how negotiations happen, a collective discuss and then come to a general consensus. Being humans, you can never make 100% happy but you can agree on a general "what will work" for the majority to achieve the end goal This doesn't automatically mean everyone is trying to rip everyone else, a new one. wish lists from different departments will be submitted, will be listened too, that is normal negotiations and how they work. Just as an aside, whilst some of our own continue to trash our government, we have a better deal already, we only have to please one country, ours. They on the other hand have to please 27 countries and a non elected top table whilst also trying to save the EU and stop others leaving whilst also trying to keep most of the money coming in from the second largest contributor to the eu,that being us. I wonder how Europeans view the European governments attempts to negotiate with us?
And the Lancastrians would be pissed about being lumped in with the Yorkshiremen (oh and women) in this? The debate was about British membership. The SNP were in the National Referendum Campaign supporting the No vote along with the DUP and Plaid. That's the way it is.
yip.corrosio, a lot can happen in 40years. different party all together from back then and different attitude towards the EU it's a mind set. dont think its anywhere near as as bad as it was, but if you follow these things its still not that uncommon to hear England.referred to as the UK by politicians,jurno's, pundits and business people. no real biggy as such, unless yer trying to promote your self in the world, secure a national identity and trade. even more so now that we are being taken out the EU contrary to the threats of 2014. kind of funny tho watching somebody get all pumped up because of the word ENGLAND without anything derogatory before or after. :Hilarious: lighten up dude, it's only banter.
To be fair a lot of this happens without anyone from the U.K. doing anything. I lived in the states for a number of years and the amount of times I had Americans thinking England was the U.K. was more often than not. This all comes to roost sometimes,Myself and the ex wife did a route 66 holiday, pulled up at a motel just outside Albuquerque and the ex checked in, receptionist was a rather young and attractive girl but as soon as she heard my English accent, she seemed to overlook my appearance which resembles a bulldog chewing a wasp and she said to my ex, in very upfront terms, "I wish I was that lucky". I smiled politely, then had two hours of having my ear chewed off by the ex about damn your English accent.
Yeah. On the news today, Syrian government forces, Russia's ally supported by Russian firepower, have been going house to house in Aleppo killing every occupant including women and children. That's freedom and justice for you. The only thing Russia stands up for is Russia. They're as bad as any other faction in the region. But it's OK because this is good, egalitarian communist genocide, the people's genocide; not that disgusting, decadent free-market capitalist genocide. So that's alright then.
I said sometime ago, I thought Trump had said to Putin, do whatever you have too but get that shitpile sorted out before I come to office. The west has to hide its head in shame but the reality is, as we have seen many times in the middle east, A tyrant often can keep peace in a way democracy cannot.
What was it about the "useful idiots". It is sad that the left are more than willing to ignore the discretions of their comrades in Russia whilst decrying just the West.
Indeed, but there are limits and Syria has gone way beyond what is justifiable, as has ISIS it has to be said.
Russia is a fascist state to all intents and purposes. Communism left with the USSR. Both are antidemocratic. Interesting read from Gorbachev interview on the BBC website today.
Did they actually show that happening then? Because the,"news",will only show whatever reinforces their message,surely? At the moment the Russians are everybody's naughty boys...Clinton and her CIA buddies are blaming them for Trumps win,naturally there is no proof it's all guesswork and opinion,(propaganda). Juncker wants a private army because of them,(he didn't pipe up when his new friends in the Ukraine and the Crimea got the first bullets whistling past..wonder why that is?). And now they are assisting one of their Allies in dealing with an armed insurrection,which is what it is. Bashir Hassad or whatever his name is,is not a saint,but neither are we. Because we are assisting another Dictatorship/Monarchy,Saudi Arabia,to bomb the shit out of the Yemenis.Only in a small way,but if your nipper is blown to bits then it's the end of your world,you won't care how many others or how small the UK's contribution is. When Bliar lied to excuse the invasion of Iraq,the media trumpeted the bullshit. None of us will ever know whether they are telling the truth today either. We will be told what the media and their friends want us to be told,whether it's Brexit/the Russians/what Kim Kardashian is doing. They might say it loudly,but volume isn't truth. Sorry.
I would say there is no need for apology , apparently the " news report " about the civilian massacres today has come from a well known American moslem convert jurno supporter of Isis . However if folk continue to take their lead from the BBC and Boris , incidentally continuing his misinformation and blatant lies in the Hse of Cons today , then nothing is going to change. Even the despicable Kerry has moved on from poor Boris's stance and has already changed his attitude from one of backing military victory to accepting that it ain't happening. While , despite a hypocritical flavour , I don't doubt that the outpouring of sympathy for the unfortunate peeps of Aleppo is honest and heart felt , it may have been better if it was voiced 5 years ago when our own gov , armed forces and those of our allies , in particular those of the " special relationship " were organising the Syrian insurgency.
The claims are based on reports from the UN. Apparently there is filmed evidence but they're not showing it - they should in my view. To hell with people's sensitivities. Armchair pontificators, and that includes a lot of the politicians, should get to see what slaughter actually looks like. Its been on the news again this evening. Essentially the last of the rebels/insurgents/Syrian opposition forces or whatever you want to call them, (but not ISIS it should be made clear) are cornered and surrounded in a shrinking sector of Aleppo, along with hundreds, maybe thousands of civilians who cannot escape (they have tried but they get killed by government snipers). Reports which the UN say are credible are coming in of Syrian government forces operating with Russian back-up systematically moving from house to house and executing every occupant including civilians and children. I'm not taking any particular side in this, except to sympathise with the innocent. I merely make the point that to claim Russia are in some way "liberating" Syria is an utter travesty. Its yet another partisan twisting of the truth. The Russians are as bad as everyone else. They are not a force for stability, peace, justice or anything else remotely positive. They are just one more malign influence in the region, as bad the medieval Wahhabist Saudis, the Iranian SS Republican Guard or the incompetent and imperialist US-led western adventurers in Irag. A plague on all their houses. To paraphrase Ronald Reagan, its a shame they can't all lose.
Some seem to either fail to recognise or ignore a fundamental difference between being invited into a country by the legitimate government ( for whatever reason , including helping in the defence of that country ) and that of an insurgent foreign funded band of rag tag mercenaries / religious zealots and or anything else .
If some piece of scum was beating up his wife and kids on his own property and he invited me to come in and give him a hand and I did so, I'd be no less of an arsehole than if I walked in uninvited and started laying about them. If the piece of scum was a friend of mine, I'd owe it to myself and him to use my influence to try and stop him and persuade him to solve his differences some other way.
If this country really wanted regime change in Syria,they'd assassinate Assad,or steam in and arrest him.After all the US can see an individual from space,right?So they know where he is,right? Thing is,another arsehole will fill the void,same as happened in Libya.And it will happen time after time,ad infinitum.These are parts of the world that are still,"uncivilised",(meaning they haven't learned how to camouflage dictatorship and call it "democracy",in the way the the Bliars and Mays have). So the only other way is proper invasion and occupation..Imperialism...you know,the thing Brits used to do so well before the EU,(but the Yanks never learned how to),and bring the heathens under control/educate them. Trouble is,that takes years possibly centuries.The French/Germans/etc get all uppity if it doesn't give them a slice of the pie,and lets face it the modern generation run home in tears if they get beaten at Halo. It's all so fucking hypocritical anyway...millions starve in North Korea,Mugabe murders his people,terrorists run amok in Africa,and all the UN do is strut about in brand new Toyotas alienating the peasants.Wheres the media faux-outrage for those poor buggers? Every country has their own axe to grind,so nothing will change until a really strong world power comes along.Russia/China/possibly India/but I doubt it will be the US,(Trump knows that being the worlds policeman is just soooo expensive),his own working class are fed up with dying in Foreign lands just to inflate Obamas ego. All bollocks,all the time.
