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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. This thread is way off course. .....
     
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  2. Yep...like EVERY thread in this section (and elsewhere), it very soon gets dragged round to talking about Scotland/the Scots....... It's like having fucking tinitus.
     
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  3. why do think that might be? could it be because of comments like that?
    start a thread on politics or anything that affects us all then you're gonna get reply's from all over. i see v,little if any of these threads originating from up here, even the several indi threads have been started by people from not up here. it seams some want to talk about, rather than listen too.
    how about we try this instead, see when the usual suspects start their shit, save us the bother and you call them out instead. simples.
     
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  4. this, if your interested is a good example of the history of language in the uk. it ties in with anything I have read on the subject and narrated in scots. the English language has much in common with French and German. with French being the first language in the English courts until the 14th century.
    one nation conservatism aint gonna work.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=tYwcjJ7Eaps&feature=emb_logo
     
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  5. Because you clearly don't understand that there are three languages used in Scotland. Gaelic is not my native language nor has it used in my part of Scotland for centuries. Many of us don't choose to use English but have no option.
    'Scottish' used in that quote is being used as a descriptive term not referring to a people. The proper use of 'Scottish' in a modern context is more than adequately explained in the links I quoted, if you bothered to read them.
    I'm sure that you are deliberately obtuse just to wind us up but sometimes I wonder if you are just plain stupid. :worried:
     
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  6. There was a time when we could have banter and use such words and it be seen as part of our rich history. Almost like a brother and sister or two brothers where banter could be seen as 4 nations getting on one minute and taking the piss the next and sometimes not talking for a while.

    Respect is always shown to the people of Scotland in here but fuck me you snp'ites seek to derail any and every thread no matter where it is and what it concerns. It's like a mould trying to suffocate any and every thread unless Scotland is being mentioned.

    If I was to create a thread about flowers, it would only be a matter of time before one of the Scottish ukip clan would turn it into what about the flower of Scotland and how that flower should have more representation. you few cannot help yourselves

    No wonder why even scots hate the snp and their supporters

    I'll try and keep things all things scots in the scots thread, could you lot try too?
     
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  7. sums you up quite nicely. so it does.
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    and the rest is just bollox. which should be quite obvious when you get people like deric pushing back who never normally posts in speakers corner.
    not only will you not agree with this next link. you don't think I have the right to post it.
    https://twitter.com/GrayInGlasgow/status/1208033365116538881
     
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  8. The Thistle is a weed, actually. :bucktooth:
     
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  10. I understand that Boris may genuinely feel that putting a deadline in law may focus minds on both sides to reach a full trade agreement in 10 or 11 months.
    And that would be easy as we are already fully aligned. I've a concern that it's where we need or intend to diverge that will need more time to agree with the remaining parliaments. BRINO is really going to be the only acceptable solution to the EU in that timescale.
    Regardless of your political bias those who are paid to predict these things are clearly thinking that there is a very high probability of a WTO Brexit or a hard Brexit with no agreement.
    This will have a 3 to 6 year detrimental effect on business investment, employment, house prices and pension investments. Interest rates to drop?
    Given where most of us Ducati forum are in the circle of life.... not good news.
    When this all settled we will need a minimum of an agreement with the EU on trade on both goods and services. If it is WTO then most of our larger manufacturing and joint projects would be gone.

    Q. What do the conservatives behind Boris really want (in the shape of a trade deal) and why?
    BRINO not sure.
    WTO Brexit.... but why, we still would need an agreement of sorts.
     
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  11. When May was in charge, the eu knew they did not have to negotiate anything, they told her the deal they wanted to offer and she tried to sell it.

    Boris, personal clown or not, was the last person the eu wanted to deal with. He has not only tweaked the leaving part, got the eu to agree with it but also won a ge with such a substantive victory that government can govern again which is the last thing the eu wanted. A leader prepared to walk away, have a substantive majority to allow it and enough financial clout to make it happen. Also, if you take your head out of the eu sand, you will see hardly any eu country leaders with the kind of support and majority that Boris currently has

    It's been said many times, with two thirds of the eu countries reliant on eu money, only a few in that other third could genuinely break away from the eu and succeed as an independent country, this is part of the eu honey trap.

    The other factor is the U.S. The last thing the eu want is the U.S. to get in first with the biggest deals rather than the eu but there lies the weakness.When the eu went over from a trade body which is politically linked, to a political body which just happens to do trade, it lost it's ability to adapt quickly and became an ego project for the comissioners.

    All the way through the U.K. has said we want to be an independent country but a great friend and support to the eu but from day one the eu commissioners have seen us as the enemy and that has reflected on their approach. They have acted like Labour in blaming everyone else as to why we are leaving rather than looking at themselves as to why we are leaving.

    In regards to the negotiations, it feels good for a change to have someone who will play as equally dirty as the eu and someone who is genuinely prepared to say no deal is better than a bad deal
     
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  12. You mean these are not questions you have asked yourself prior to the Brexit GE the other day ?

    Fvckin Hell...................
     
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  13. make your mind up will yah aircon. nuke, them go back and change them to lock topic?.
    sad.
    I think they want a deal. but first they have to ensure they have something to trade.
    that involves taking back control of tradable sectors to protect the base of the uk's economy. 80% of which is finance and the service sector.
    unfortunately, for us in Scotland, most of that finance and service sector is based in London. only 25% of the Scottish economy is reliant in those areas. we are a manufacturing and exporting nation. those are going to be the trade off's.
    from the get go, it has been shown that it will be Scotland's democracy and economy that will take the biggest hit.
    you would of thought there would be more of the great brittish tradition of fair play, that was so heavily sold to us in 2014 going on here. but I aint seeing it.
     
  14. Well you are talking filthy Tory tactics now the only way they know how to deal or communicate Bro.
     
  15. yip. I know. what they don't seem to understand, it is they, that will end the union. and those outside the know, don't care. well not enough to get their leaders telt.
     
  16. To answer the first part my glasses are downstairs and the lock thread and nuke are the same colour and side by side... I'm using a pad and my thumb, accuracy isn't perfect.
    Second part why would this strategy take back control?
    The conservatives are a clever bunch of self serving people... I can't see their play here.
     
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  17. Like your choice of politics.......... ha ha.
     
  18. I aint surprised you cant see it. first you have to want to.
    Brexit, as it was predicted and playing out, isn't compatible with devolution. there are many areas we are responsible for that can get in the way of future trade deals. devolution is being rolled back, areas we have invested in will be sold off.
     
  19. You are a sad and spiteful individual who always adopts the same Alf Garnett glass half full staccato response to a question.
    Try to think and give a fuller response, one that better references your many years of experience of life and the world; please.

    The alternatives to Boris were unacceptable. I've said many times here, it was the least worse decision.
    Boris didn't say he was going to make it illegal to extend the negotiations. ..it was however pledge not to go beyond Dec 2020
     
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