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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. They still can't stop saying, on a planet of 195 countries, unless you are in the eu 27 then you will fail.

    Someone tell the zoids brexit is won, we will be out in 4 weeks, legally, the end, hasta manana, bye
     
  2. uh-huh.
    on this occasion I shall resist the temptation.
    carry on.
     
  3. #makesmentalnote
     
  4. Perhaps.

    I thought you said another manufacturer was making materials that didn’t meet the regulations anyway.
     
  5. All the European manufacturers were using materials which were flammable, because their unrestricted use was legal in most, but not all EU markets, for most applications. Their use in the U.K. and French markets was legal but restricted. Unfortunately, those manufacturers were less than honest about their legitimate application and could be accused of breaching the Sale of Goods Act. The government decided to give designers more freedom and deregulated application of such materials. Grenfell is one result of that. The designers and installers did not understand how to apply flammable materials safely IMHO.
     
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  6. So it looks like Boris is planning a so called "hard Brexit" for 1st January 2021 and the EU for causing it.... go Boris.
    The EU are already planning for extensions and laid out threats to limit our financial markets unless we have complete EU alignment....
    I think I'm starting to see his logic....

    Q. Which country will leave next?
    Q. Which EU government would allow a referendum on remaining a member?
    Q. Who will apply next for EU membership?
    Q. Will that new prospective county get membership before Turkey, who applied in 1987?
     
  7. For starters, the "negotiation period" is worth £1B per month for the EU.

    Or do you still believe the EU is all about ... snort ... trade?
     
  8. Don’t know what to believe really, I’ll try though.

    The Eu are still looking for ways to stop Brexit or at least leave the U.K. wanting to rejoin as soon as possible (another referendum in a few years - yay :) ).

    Uk politicians want the same.

    MSM want the same.

    U.K. people - not so sure. Whatever the reasons I think people want the U.K. to leave the Eu.
     
  9. Think of it this way - Government is no friend to the People.
    Once you get that, everything else begins to fall into place.

    People will interpret this as, "Oh, you must want anarchy!". (It is this kind of binary thinking, which is so prevalent in this forum and amongst people in general, that makes me want to sign up for a one-way Mars mission.) It is possible to have government ... which is a necessary evil ... but not have a government that has inserted its tendrils into every aspect of life. The barest minimum government is the right amount.

    All you have to do to make this work is accept that personal responsibility is the cornerstone of civilised society ... not "good government", not "one nation", not "for the many, not the few", not regulation, not free stuff.
    Too late for the UK, of course. The introduction and proliferation of the NHS nailed that coffin lid down good and proper.
     
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  10. More of a Natural Selection type society then Orenz ? Just asking for someone who cares.
     
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  11. LOL.

    People who care - well, they give to local charities, they look after their vulnerable neighbours, they give to food banks, etc.

    They don't construct Marxist dictatorships that take money from ordinary folk with menaces, threats of prison, etc.

    Socialism isn't generosity, you cute, curly-haired buffoon. It is regimentation, theft, greed, corruption, RightThink, over-weaning governmental authority and the eventual death of a society.

    I am pleased and proud of having been able to assist you with this, Comrade!
     
  12. Does that not end up becoming survival of the fittest type thing though.
     
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  13. I was asking on behalf of Sophie as you don't seem to be able to get the message across to her, and once again you failed through me.
    You present yourself better in your Trapping suit.
    Watched you again on TV over Xmas you were great. Love n hugs.
     
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  14. its because it’s not possible to conclude a deal in time frame Johnson has put into law.

    that’s because he doesn’t want a deal

    he doesn’t want a deal so his rich friends can continue to hide their wealth and not be subject to a 2020 Eu law which would require them to declare where their wealth came from
     
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  15. Doesn't have to. Smaller communities are known to "look after their own". Too late for that, of course.

    On a serious note though - the NHS is essential in order to preserve life in a modern, over-crowded, impersonal society of strangers such as we have in the UK. There are simply too many disjointed non-communities and vastly too many human beings who are strangers, for anything other than "healthcare as industry". Unfortunately, the NHS then becomes the thick end of an even thicker wedge - what about the unemployed? What about people who don't want to work? What about single-parent families where producing a sprog is the fast-track to housing and financial support? We have to support a growing proportion of the population, whether or not any of them want to contribute to the wealth of the society in which they live.
    The UK is stuck in a trap of of its own devising, caught by its own misguided desire to "do right". There is no way out of this. Socialism will be the (brief) future of the UK, because no one will see another way out of the mess it is in and which is getting worse.

    Questions: Why aren't people who care about the NHS, etc, making vast (or as much as they can afford) voluntary tax payments to the Treasury? Why do they insist that "care and generosity" be made compulsory?

    Suggestion: Socialism isn't generosity, it is theft. Paying money to the government is inefficient. Government is terrible at doing stuff that isn't simply creating more government - they are good at that.
    Similarly, paying money to large charities is inefficient. I recently read some advice that didn't come from the MSM: if the Head of a charity is paid more than three times your annual salary ... you probably shouldn't donate to that charity. I have pondered that often.
     
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  16. That could be true, or he doesn’t want to leave at all as he and his rich friends do nicely from the Eu.
     
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