Exactly, it just shows extreme naivety. Go back a year and poll people on whether they feel they'll be worse off than the year before, go another year back, and another They'll be a similar response given for a different reason, call it austerity, banking collapse, recession, housing price crash....all of which nothing to do with Brexit but all when in the GREAT EU It's ridiculously short sighted and again all whipped to a frenzy by the media A report on radio 5 live has just tried to suggest that the chap who's left has the best experience for negotiation on leaving the EU? And how is that even possible? He's never had to negotiate leaving, never had to negotiate seperate trade deals with any eu member. How in gods name can he possibly be the best placed to make this successful? It's bollocks frankly
Precisely. If you were a private company trying to set up a commercial trade deal with another company, why on earth would you pick as your representative in the negotiations someone who believed that your firm should be dissolved and everyone should all go and work for the other guys. You'd have to be soft in the head.
i dont remember ( at the time ) austerity , banking collapse , recession etc , all of which are being blamed for the dire state of the country ,ever being blamed on being a member of the EU,, so how does anyone think that by exiting the EU any of that is going to be changed .
I don't know what they were blamed on, maybe at some point they were blamed on EU membership, maybe they weren't. But thats not what I'm getting at, and not what I'm saying. I'm merely pointing out that the Sky polling I've seen, and questions they've posed, revolve around things such as: 'Do you think you'll be worse off in 2017' 'Do you think you've got job security in 2017' All of which can be, and are being attributed to Brexit, but tend to happen anyway regardless of whatever the current 'doom and gloom' scenario of the moment is, hence my examples of other doom and gloom scenarios People regurgitate what the media is feeding them, and at the moment its full of hysteria and bullshit from all quarters regarding Brexit
Couldn't agree more. He simply didn't believe in what was required, didn't want it to happen and thats it. Hes come out waving his finger (leaking more info to the press) saying that the PM doesn't have a plan etc Well it wouldn't bloody surprise me if he was kept in the dark about certain things on purpose as they knew damn well he'd leak it to the EU states or to the UK press.
The bloke is a cock. You would think the way he spoke that his wages were from god rather than the taxpayer. Personally I'm glad he's gone, I've rarely met a person who hates their job and does not believe in it, who then does the best job they can do. The EU have appointed a U.K. hater for their side to negotiate so why shouldn't we have an equally as strong team? I think what really gets the EU project top table, is that most of have said we love Europe, we are just simply kicking out the management company.
i am not disagreeing with you,, just simply using your post to emphasise the absurdity of people thinking that leaving the EU is going to change the things which are generarlly accepted to be the major problems with this country over the previous decade or so,,,thats all .
Exactly. The odious Clegg was commenting on this and it is obvious that he is still trying to disrupt the whole Brexit idea. If our man in the EU is rabidly pro EU then he is no longer required as far as I am concerned. We want people genuinely committed to achieving the best possible deal and not those who wish to derail the process. Polls are suggesting that if the referendum was repeated tomorrow that the result would be the same; so get on with it.
At a dinner party on New Year's Eve I asked the hostess, whom I have known for decades, whether she believed anyone from anywhere in the world should be able to come to the UK for whatever reason they like and she could not bring herself to simply say "no".
People should remember that 43 years ago we were forced to turn our backs, at Europe's behest, on our genuine friends, allies and extended family in the Anglosphere and the Commonwealth, people who were (and have remained) our most important trade and cultural partners and strategic allies and whose forebears fought alongside us to free Europe from fascism, and who we were obliged by the rules of Brussels to discriminate against in favour of the European Project, many of whose members have been tirelessly undermining Britain's interests ever since. People whine about how terrible it would be for the UK to turn its back on our friends - they didn't mind when we did that for real. I'm absolutely staggered that our oldest friends have kept faith and been so forgiving, and four decades after we snubbed and abandoned them and allowed ourselves to become sucked into a dystopian cold-war vanity project, are queuing up to welcome us back into the real world. It isn't hard to see who our true friends are. Its going to be some reunion.
eh ,, who are these "friends" lining up ? ,,, we never needed Brussels to help / force us to "discriminate" against the Caribeans or the Indo Paki races or the Irish etc who came here in the post colonial days,, " free us from fascisisim " ?,, it was Russia who broke the back of the German natzi armies,, dont recall them being regarded as our " friends " much in the post war american led cold war hysteria,, just saying.
Now i'm fairly certain that ones of those colonial 'friends' recently told May she needs to reverse her immigration policy that she herself had put in place if she wanted more trade with India. :grin:
That would be the same Russians who pushed the Nazis out of eastern Europe so they could occupy it for 50 years themselves and sacrifice the life chances of millions of people to the brutalism, misery and economic decay of totalitarian communist imperialism. Ignorant street level racial discrimination is not representative of relations between nations. Those countries (now Commonwealth) which came to fight alongside Britain in WWII did so voluntarily. They were not ordered or coerced. They chose to come to our aid. And yes, we owe them something for that. We owe Europe nothing. The debt is very much the other way round. All Anglosphere nations - Australia, New Zealand, Canada and the US as well as almost every country in the Commonwealth and many others outside have stated unequivocally that they look forward to forging bilateral relations with an independent UK at the earliest opportunity. They are just waiting for us to get on with it.
most countries all over the world are open to trade with almost anybody at " the earliest opportunity " ( except of course the ones which the evil americ**ts have put a trade embargo on ) unfortunatly the " ignorant racial street level racial descrimination " to which you refer is an undeniable force in your country , one which was successfully manipulated in the recent EU referendum .
Our Nige deserves to have his pension increased 10 fold for the sterling service he has done this country. In the years to come, he'll be proven to have saved us £trillions. In fact, I might start one of these Govt petition thingies that you Remainians are so keen on, calling for just such a thing to happen.
Tories on borrowed time?? Booted out?? Have you seen the low point that Corbyn has managed to plummet to? Or do you think the LibDems or UKIP will form a new government? If an election was called, the Tories would in fact be re-elected with the largest majority for decades and the Labour party would implode. Just wait for the two upcoming by-elections....
