So when all the elderly uk people who currently live in Europe but are no longer entitled to free healthcare there, return home for that reason, how much extra will the cost the NHS? We already have a crisis due to social care funding being cut by 40% by this Government.
As others have said the EU is not a club, but if it was then the committee is running it to facilitate their own dream, assuming they know best and ignoring the wishes of the membership.
This maybe long, apologies. Firstly, not targeting Scotland but using the snp as a brilliant example Most people are fed up of bigger government. it is seen by most remainer's and brexiteers as a oil tanker and trying to get it to react to individual country needs and decisions is almost impossible so the call certainly within the U.K. is to make more local, local. So much so the call within the last 40 years has been not so much county councils but parts of the U.K. to have their own Governments away from Westminster so they can react to local need and in a planned way that could be dealt with within the traditional boundaries of the U.K. Now, most have agreed with that and the proof is in the pudding when the U.K. took on board that wish and have been certainly for the last 20 years, moving into devolved governments, sadly none for the English but I feel that time is coming :smile: So we identified the bigger the government gets, the less it works better for different countries, I know this to be true because the snp said so and they wouldn't lie:smile: Knowing that the direction has been for smaller government over the last 20 years, knowing we have made positive moves in sorting that out with devolved governments and soon the larger cities taking their own responsibility, it was only natural then when the vote came up to leave an organisation of 27 other countries let alone god knows how many devolved governments and regions, that the U.K. who is on a path itself for smaller and more applicable responsible government, would then choose to leave the E.U. Our own recent history confirms that is our wish, smaller, more dynamic and relevant and more locally (within our regions boundaries) responsible to its people. So for people like the snp (who do not speak for all of Scotland) to say we want a smaller more self determined government one minute and then the next they say we want to be part of 27 other countries on another completely different land mass, it makes no sense as they themselves have been pushing for smaller localised government for since 1934. The United Kingdom is moving away from super governments, our own devolved countries are proof of that, so it should have come as no surprise that we would continue on that path to be more reactive and support the needs for the U.K. and that has meant to do that, the only option was to leave the 27 countries of the E.U. control
I flicked it on, but I actively avoid the BBC. I prefer to use other sources altogether and search for what I want to read. Where do you get your information from TT? :Wideyed: You need to change, as all you are doing is reinforcing your Rab C Nesbitt mentality.
So by this logic, I assume you think all foreigners here will no longer be entitled to free NHS treatment? Right? It must be reciprocal, right?. So those numbers would much favour the UK.
you are aware there is considerably more than one devolved government within the uk including isle of man, etc all with considerably more than one party and each and every one of them are pro EU to a greater or lesser extent. so not entirely sure what your point is. other than maybe another opportunity to distract and talk pish as is your style.how v.tory of you. smaller government as in central government but more regional gov tho less efficient should be given more consideration for so many reason that should be obvious. but cant really be arsed getting into.
Perhaps you have missed the part where the U.K. government has said repeatedly that they want to ensure the conditions of Brits overseas in the same way as eu citizens currently here? Only the EU has so far refused to see the logic of this We do have a crisis but this has been going on for many many years and many different governments on both sides, it just seems to be that this government will have to be the one to deal with the shite that others did not.
Welcome back Fin have you seen the latest installment of wings over Somerset written by the bloke who has lived in Bath for the last 25 years, votes lib dem and has stayed in a county that has a tory county council? welcome back buddy, welcome back.
no not yet.. busy running my own wee bussiness, btw, wwe aint budys. i think/know yer a bit of a pr..k.
Um ... each devolved government is in favour of EU membership but the majority of the electorate are happy to be leaving it. Distraction indeed, how very SNP of you :Angelic: Anyhoot. Smaller government means government is less involved in the infrastructure of the region/nation and spends less of the population's money. In this context, more regional government is very much more effective than central government as it is able to respond, within the narrow purview of its remit, to local wishes. As a supporter of the stated aims of the SNP, you no doubt have already grasped the benefit of this approach.
62% up here,Gibraltar 80%+ N.I. voted to remain. every uk party is or was pro uk bar yon protest group. dont loz. dont go against yer normal data without info stance you normally correctly promote. anyhoo, i'm gone for now. nasty smell in here. :Yuck:
? You seem to be suggesting that the majority of the electorate need to keep their noses out of the decision-making process? Oh. What are the people telling you what to think telling you that I should be thinking? It stinks of debate in here, true. Groupthink smells so much sweeter. See you in the other place where you can tear me a new one
holding my nose here the majority in the devolved ares voted to remain, plans have been forwarded by at least one that could allow us up here at least to remain within the single market as is the PEOPLES want and with the 20% growth in trade seen up here in recent years with the EU its fair to say we have become more interconnected and should be given serious consideration. there is a lot more to running a country than profit and loss as is the tory message over the last 6years. something i would of said you would of agreed with up until recently. tory boy. :Smuggrin: right, done with yah for now.
Do you have a breakdown of the votes, street by street? What's your plan for meeting the needs of the residents of Argyle Rd, G61, who were overwhelmingly in favour of leaving the EU? There is indeed a lot more to running a country, or even a business, than profit & loss. The obsession with bottom-line that has completely replaced every other important measure of standard of living in this country is a tragedy but ... why have you brought this particular point up in a discussion about escaping the clutches of an anti-democratic, self-serving, corporatist superstate?
that first bit, was that you reverting to silly loz? re the rest, i suppose i could, but tbh feeding the troll is never a good look.
As has been mentioned, at least our PM has made the first moves by saying she'd like to ensure conditions for both British nationals living abroad and Eu nationals living here, she's even prepared to do that now. But again, because the EU has too many cooks it would seem 'one or two' aren't happy with that. So thats not the fault of us, its the fault of the EU or at least 'one or two' of its members, whoever they may be You cant say the PM hasn't tried, and just because we VOTED as a nation to leave it doesn't immediately mean everything is our responsibility. Its a collective issue and one would think these EU leaders would care about their nationals...... Quote from her speech in full: Theresa May's Brexit speech in full: Prime Minister outlines her 12 objectives for negotiations | The Independent 6. Rights for EU nationals in Britain, and British nationals in the EU Fairness demands that we deal with another issue as soon as possible too. We want to guarantee the rights of EU citizens who are already living in Britain, and the rights of British nationals in other member states, as early as we can. I have told other EU leaders that we could give people the certainty they want straight away, and reach such a deal now. Many of them favour such an agreement – one or two others do not – but I want everyone to know that it remains an important priority for Britain – and for many other member states – to resolve this challenge as soon as possible. Because it is the right and fair thing to do. End Quote: Now, as for the funding of Britons returning to the UK. I'll again point out the findings as reported on by Sky news only a couple of months before the vote. Quote: By Jason Farrell, Senior Political Correspondent New figures show the NHS is paying out millions more for EU healthcare than it is claiming back from EU countries. In what one MP described as a "scandalous failure", it has emerged that the UK pays more than £670m to EU countries for Brits' healthcare abroad, while claiming back less than £50m from the EU, even though there are significantly more EU citizens in the UK than UK citizens in the EU. Under the European Health Insurance Card (EHIC) - countries can claim back health costs from other EU countries if their citizens use medical services abroad. The new figures reveal that nearly every country claims more from the UK than the UK claims back from the rest of the EU. For example the UK pays France £147,685,772, but France only pays UK £6,730,292 and the UK pays Germany £25,873,954 but Germany only pays the UK £2,189,664. End Quote: So by the logic you apply, if British people abroad are no longer able to access 'Free' healthcare (theres that word again) then it would almost certainly suggest EU nationals are no longer able to access 'Free' healthcare here, correct? Well, let me do a quick bit of math for you £670m paid out to the EU minus £50m paid back to the UK = £620m the UK no longer pays out Not what id call a small sum of money
