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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. who says they are extinct? brexitersauresis are roaming unhindered all over.
     
  2. I've never seen those rare beasts, apparently there are a load of bitterasauresis and toryhaterdactyls up in the highlands that are easy to spot. :D
     
  3. dickasaurus :)
     
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  4. hows the tooth ache?
     
  5. No toothache here :D
     
  6. From 2012.
    "All across Europe, from riots in Greece to those protest votes for Marine Le Pen and George Galloway, we see signs of how alienated people now feel from the “political class” which rules over our lives, out of touch with the rest of us, without meaningful opposition, no longer responsive to any democratic control. I am reminded of a document I discovered in the National Archives at Kew in January 2002, when sifting through papers released under the 30-year rule relating to Britain’s negotiations to join the Common Market. It was a confidential 1971 memorandum, clearly written by a senior Foreign Office official, headed “Sovereignty and the Community”.

    With chilling candour, this paper (from FCO folder 30/1048) predicted that it would take 30 years for the British people to wake up to the real nature of the European project that Edward Heath was about to take them into, by which time it would be too late for them to leave. Its author made clear that the Community was headed for economic, monetary and fiscal union, with a common foreign and defence policy, which would constitute the greatest surrender of Britain’s national sovereignty in history. Since “Community law” would take precedence over our own, ever more power would pass to this new bureaucratic system centred in Brussels – and, as the role of Parliament diminished, this would lead to a “popular feeling of alienation from government”.

    It would therefore become the duty of politicians “not to exacerbate public concern by attributing unpopular measures… to the remote and unmanageable workings of the Community”. Politicians of all parties should be careful to conceal the fact that controversial laws originated in Brussels. By this means it might be possible to preserve the illusion that the British government was still sovereign, “for this century at least” – by which time it would no longer be possible for us to leave".
     
  7. Seeing as how it's been confirmed today that Northern Ireland could reunite with the Republic and not have to apply to join the EU, there might be only England and Wales left soon. I wonder what it will feel like to be the PM who oversaw the break up of the UK and Great Britain?
     
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  8. Lets play a game of spot the contradiction within the fake news story, see if you can spot it?
     
  9. A touching and tempestuous romance? upload_2017-3-28_18-0-42.png
     
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  10. Less than 24 hours until you have to pay your bet duke, are you going to welch?
     
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  11. Now,(sorry I can't find the link),here's a thing:
    I read some reports over the weekend that the UK,(as it was a founder member of the WTO),has,(along with the other founder members),a special right described in a specific clause in the rules.
    In that,in the event of a dispute or inability to agree a new trade agreement,the UK has the absolute right to continue trading under the terms of the original agreement, for a period not exceeding ten years,(which can be extended in exceptional circumstances).
    So,if these articles are correct,(and according to the authors both the EU and the MSM are well aware of this clause,hardly surprising that they don't want people to know about it though),it means that for the foreseeable future,(assuming the EU and UK cannot come to an agreement),then access to the Single Market remains unaltered.
    Not even the WTO rules,just,"as you were",until you both find an amicable solution.
    As far as I'm aware,the WTO does not cover subjects like immigration or payments to one party or the other,i.e,all the special terms that the USA/etc do not have to abide by under WTO rules..
    Sooo...it begs the question,(if it's true),that what is all the fuss about? The SNP might find they have no axe to grind for the foreseeable future,(although I'm sure they'll find another reason for IndyRef II)...it will draw nasty Gina Millers spiteful little sting...and Keir Starmer will get the metaphorical kick in the testicles he deserves for his selfish,anti-democratic,superior and arrogant demeanor..
    Or maybe our Government don't want us to know about this particular get-out clause as they still want to keep their seats warm in Brussels?
    We will see.
    EDIT:
    WTO | WTO analytical index: Guide to WTO Law and Practice - General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade 1994
     
    #7251 Lightning_650, Mar 28, 2017
    Last edited: Mar 28, 2017
  12. Also May has been excluded from meetings and decision making even though we are still members and paying.
    It must work both ways if at all.
     
  13. Sounds a little too like "double secret probation" to be true, to me.
     
  14. Here are the views of a number of Lawyers on Brexit,the WTO etc.
    Quite interesting: no doubt there are other Lawyers that will interpret the rules/see the future differently:
    International Trade After Brexit
     
  15. Much has been made about using the wto and tariffs as a financial cliff, the people saying this are also the same ones from project fear.

    The wto does have rules but the tariff actual rates are decided by countries themselves so the UK can decide any rate they wish and that is one of the freedoms away from the eu, we can decide how much and with whom.

    We could if we wanted to, set a different rate for every country we imported goods from but more likely we would set a low rate to get the best deal for the U.K. and as long as the deal was both ways then jobs a good un. Not one single country of the remaining 27 can. Again though, we could not bother with tariffs at all
     
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  16. Glad to see all the Brexit mobsters are all still awake and awaiting my every word. :tearsofjoy:
     
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  17. Cool, you're going to pay up then. Good man.
     
  18. duke most of us are here to see you cough up as you said you would, when brexit is launched, warm up ya wallet buddy
     
  19. No Euros Dukie. Real money only.
     
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