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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Doesn't help himself, does he.
     
  2. There are many things in life that are unfair, I have been paying NI for 49 years and hope to retire later this year, I find it unfair that others retire 10/15 years earlier than me and as long as they have paid 30 years contributions they get the same state pension as me.
    Steve
     
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  3. But what if you were unable to have worked for 30 years through ill health, caring for a relative or some other issue? Do you not think you should be entitled to a state pension then, the same as everyone else? We all have an opportunity to pay into other pensions if we so wish.
     
  4. Speaking at an event in Leeds, Mr Corbyn said that the CPS, the Electoral Commission and the Director of Public Prosecutions were all independent and they had to make the judgement.

    And forgets his colleagues, including Marsha-Jane Thompson, and their enterprise with Tower Hamlets voting.
     
  5. It will be interesting to see Sir Keir Starmer's opinion on this given he was Director of public prosecutions and the head of the crown prosecution service up until as recently as November of 2013
     
  6. Two great electoral reformers
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  7. You looked didn't you? :tearsofjoy:
     
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  8. Interesting talk in Dublin today with the prime minister of Ireland inviting Bernier of the brexit negotiation team. The bit that caught my eye was when discussing the border, Enda Kenny said, we believe as it was, it was a military border that promoted sectarianism, we cannot go back to that type of border.

    This was interesting as it implies possibly, that Kenny accepts there will need to be a border but not a militarial one. If as I suspect there will need to be a hard border, then it will be like any other eu/non eu border as they have throughout the eu edges in that it will be simply civilian border staff. There shouldn't be a problem with that as the eu already uses such borders and as it is not a military border then it should not contravene the good friday agreement.

    As to the free movement. from the U.K. side we could introduce any rules we want so we could do as the americans and canadians do in that they give each other a prefered nation status so simply showing a passport would be enough in most cases. The sticking point there would be the eu may disagree with this and doesn't allow the irish to meet halfway with the U.K.
     
  9. Exactly - the wanky EU parliament will try and scupper it because they are asre holes - greedy, sectarian, insular, racist bigots - simples... :smileys:
     
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  10. The whole concept of migrant quotas shows that the people who run this farcical project don't understand their own creation. Once migrants are given the right of residency in one EU country they become de-facto citizens of every EU state under freedom of movement rules and they can and will go wherever they like.
    Hungary and Poland are finding they don't like having their borders transferred to Greece and Croatia and their immigration policies decided for them by Mrs Merkel and her post-holocaust German guilt and who can blame them?
    Welcome to the real world guys. Now you know how it feels.
     
  11. :D:D


    German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schäuble said today that if Britain changed its mind on Brexit, the door would be open for it to remain in the EU.

    On that, President Macron says: "The door is always open of course. No negotiation of Brexit has been finalised."

    He says as things stand, the British people have decided they want to leave, but "there's still the possibility of reopening" the issue if that changes.

    And with that, the press conference ends and the two leaders head off to the Stade de France for the football friendly.
     
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  12. And you would be of the same opinion and your British and non racist? Kin amazing!!!
     
  13. Its gonna happen. I would not be surprised at all if we have another referendum at some point.
     
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  14. I sometimes wonder duke if you simply just play spin the bottle with yourself
     
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  15. Corrected................and the answer is............yes. :laughing:
     
  16. But those retired people have been paying,(as have their employers),their whole working lives,in order to receive their pensions/NHS care etc?
    They paid when they were young and just starting out,just like kids of today will be expected to do.And NI rates have risen over the years,Governments decided the rates and for the majority we paid them.
    It's not like older folk aren't paying more anyway: my wife left school at fifteen,paid into the system her whole life,and a couple of years ago was told she would have to work an additional six years.So 45 years contributions suddenly became 51 years,with of course receiving 6 years less in state pension as she cannot retire.
    We keep getting told that we are living longer and therefore must pay more.If that is the case then the younger generation have to pay more because they will use more over their lifetime.No one gets anything for nothing,at least they shouldn't.
    Not forgetting that young peoples expectations from the NHS are much greater than ours were when when I was young.
    I've said this before,but all of that early retirement/lovely pensions for public sector employees/teachers policemen/firemen etc etc,costs a lot,and all of us have to pay for it.
    At some point a government will have to say enough is enough,grasp the nettle,and say if you want to retire early you don't receive your state pension ,and you have to keep paying NI ,until the agreed retirement age.
     
    #7800 Lightning_650, Jun 15, 2017
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