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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Ms Krankie got the cold shoulder from the Tusk. That'll cause a rumpus and lots of arms waving. Alex will no doubt be wheeled in.
     
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  2. Just seen this post on FaceBook :D:

    Dom Beaven
    26 June at 12:36 · Bath ·
    Right. Fuck this. We're ALL up shit creek and we need a paddle. Now, not in three months.

    Fellow Remain voters: Enough already. Yes, we're all pissed off but navel gazing ain't gonna help. Not all 17 million Leave voters can possibly be racist northern pensioners without an O level to their name. Maybe they have a point about this quitting the EU thing? Maybe not. Whatever, we are where we are and no amount a whinging is gonna change that. Allegedly we're the intelligent ones, so get your thinking caps on.

    Leave voters. Well done. Good game. We hear you. Now you need to get stuck in to the aftermath and not just piss off back to Wetherspoons. (Just banter, twats!). And the first person to say they "want their country back" gets deported to fucking Gibraltar. OK?

    Politicians.

    David. Fuck off. Shut the door behind you. Now.

    George. You may be a twat but you're our twat. Plus you know the passwords for our Junior Savers account. Get your calculator. Drop the face-like-a-slapped-ass routine. You're on.

    Boris. Sorry mate. That photo of you abseiling by your scrotum over the London Olympics while waving a Union Jack can't ever be un-taken. Plus, you'll never be able to appear on Question Time again without some sturdy Glaswegian nurse asking where the fuck her 350 million quid is. Not only will she have a very good point, she'll be wearing a T shirt that shows you gurning in front of that fucking bus! No captains hat for you I'm afraid.

    Theresa. You're in charge love. Get the biggest shoulder pads you've got. We need Ming The Merciless in drag and you'll scare the shit out of 'em.

    Nicola. Yep. Fair cop. You probably could get us on a technicality, as could London. But we fucking love shortbread. And oil. And to be honest you're probably the best politician we've got, so we need you on side. Sort your lot out and we promise never to mention that Jimmy Krankie thing again (although it is pretty uncanny) and we'll make you a Dame once we're sorted. Bring Ruth Davidson. She kicks ass.

    Opposition party. We'll need one. Someone take Jeremy and John back to the British Legion Club where you found them. Take Nigel as well. Give back their sandals, buy them a pint, then go to Heathrow and collect David Milliband. Fuck it. Lets gets Ed Balls as well. He keeps George on his toes. I think he works on the lottery kiosk at Morrisons now?

    Oh. And Mark Carney. Give him a knighthood and tell him to keep that shit coming. We definitely need more of that good shit!

    Everyone set? Right. Hold the Easyjet. We're going to Brussels and this ain't no hen party.

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  3. So is your view that, if you have been allocated some public money to spend, make sure you spend all of it on something - anything - and never give any of it back? That if you manage to save some public expenditure out of your budget, that makes you a dick?

    I must say I have always taken the opposite view: If your duties involve taking responsibility for some public funds, you should always scrimp and save, economise, and give some back if you feasibly can. I have known some people who took your view, but I didn't much like them.
     
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  4. pete. your taking on the wrong guy.
    when your building a white elephant of a tram line when the bridge is falling down while sending back billions (our money)
    when your funding hospitals and schools (that arenow falling down) on ppi and all the crap that goes with it then returning billions (our money)when your promising regeneration then returning billions (our money) then your asking for trouble.
    stick to what you know.
     
  5. Whenever there is a general election or a by-election, there are candidates who put themselves forward even though they know perfectly well that they don't have a snowball's chance of getting elected. Their objective is to put up a good campaign, make speeches, knock on doors, schmooze voters, and get media coverage so that they will be able to get adopted in a winnable seat at the next election.

    And whenever there is a party leadership election, there are candidates who likewise don't have a snowball's this time, but they are laying the groundwork for a run next time.

    Of course Jeremy Hunt hasn't got an earthly this time, but there might be another Tory leadership election in a few years' time and he will want to be well up the list of papabiles. That is the way political parties work.
     
  6. As it happens I know a fair bit about taking responsibility for spending public money (admittedly on a smaller scale), which is why I ventured to comment. Do you know anything whatever about that topic? I thought not.
     
  7. yip i have budgets and wages to pay (my/our money) relatively speaking bigger percentages and the buck stops with me. with everything i have to lose. did you? no. you spent public money like all your other cronies in office.
     
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  9. So that "yip" means "no", then; you have never had the smallest responsibility for spending, or saving, any public money whatever. It was quite funny that you tried to tell me to "stick to what you know" when the topic at hand is one about which I happen to have direct personal experience and you don't. Ha-ha!
     
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  10. Thanks for that. Yes, a slip of the keyboard!
     
  11. pete you clearly no nothing of the public expenditure i was referring to. or maybe you do? you mix in those circles. go on, spin it some more.
    tell me and others about devolution,and barnet tell us all about mcrone
    tell me about the last time you gambled every thing you have on a business venture? did it succeed?
    tell me about the underspend the scottish government still manage every year and are reinvesting it up here as it should.
    tell me about wales and labours record during welsh devolution.using the same formula (i think:Angelic::smileys:)
    tell me what you now about the GERS figures.
     
  12. Maybe it's time for a completely new approach to politics? A new party made up of people who have experience of life, know how the world works, who recognise the need for open borders, better communication, transparency and getting on with what needs to be done instead of bickering, gerrymandering and using valuable time to score points and line their pockets instead of getting the job done.

    What we need is a group of professionals who understand logistics, how long it takes to get a job done, how to maximise the efficiency of the people and resources at hand, and who aren't afraid to kick a few arses when necessary.

    Yes folks. It's time for the Roadie Party.


    (Obviously Parliamentary debate would be largely unbroadcastable, but it would be a frank and fair exchange alright).
     
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  13. The referendum was not binding, it's indicative. Whether it is actioned is a political matter. The view is often taken that governments, political parties, or MPs, who declined to action it would suffer great unpopularity as a result, and therefore are unlikely to take this course. On the other hand, half the population might welcome such an outcome.

    How it is actioned is also a political matter. There is scope for different views about how and when Article 50 comes into effect. It might take days, weeks, months, or years depending on the view taken.

    If several months have gone by without Art50 in effect, and if Brexit has become hugely unpopular in the meantime, the government of the day might decide their best course was to kick it into the long grass. If there has been a general election in the meantime and a government has been elected on a "Remain" manifesto, it would follow that the referendum would recede into the past.

    The whole exercise could have been done in a different way, of course. Parliament could have passed an Act providing for the change in issue (in this case, Brexit) but with a clause providing that it shall not come into effect unless and until it shall have secured a simple majority (or a qualified majority) in a referendum. If that had been the deal, the referendum would have had a binding effect in law. But that was not the deal, as we all know.
     
  14. President Obama's contribution to project fear exposed:
    House Speaker Paul Ryan is calling for the United States to engage in a free trade agreement with the United Kingdom once it completes the process of separating from the European Union.
    Paul Ryan Calls for Post-Brexit Trade Deal With Britain

    Probably the first of a long line of countries. Up jours Juncker.
     
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  15. I don't think Jeremy Hunt has an earthly, full stop.
     
  16. I can see someone else ending up on finm's ignore list here. Come on in @Pete1950 the water's lovely. :)
     
  17. not suggesting you let them dictate your agenda,, ( it should always be up to the individual country to dictate their own agenda , not another one , hence the SNP ),,, just maybe suggesting that you look round the blinkers and get an idea of how the rest of europe thinks about you ..
     
  18. I don't think you're on your own Robarano. We'll soon be quite a community..:D
     
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  19. oh how short your memory is ( perhaps ) ,, your " labour party " is / was actually rebranded many years ago , so many that some seem to have forgotten , or perhaps are in denial, it is now the " New Labour Party ",,,, you can thank Neil Kinnock for that,, and if you all want to call for someones head you should look no further than him,,, the fact that the modern labour voter has turned its back on the modern party membership should be clear sign to all that a real true traditional Labour party is what is needed to defeat the henious scumbag tories, the cowardly shadow cabinet , Kinnocks children , are no better than their tory counterparts,, no one wants them .
     
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