yes. i would of gone with 51%. mostly because the nature of the campaign from the yes side. a detailed vision put to the people from the yes side to ponder for 3years. no buses promoting lies, no xenophobia exploited,(except in the press) the only victim in the whole affair was yer man Murphy and even then it was just his shirt. two completely different campaigns. the only similarity will be constant neverendoms due to the way the NO, leave/remain campaign was run from? dare i say it? westminster. just take this one week alone, our economy grew up here by 15bill overnight despite the low oil price just by the stroke of a pen. figures deliberately hidden for 40years. i could list pages of similar examples all coined from an elite you think exists only in the EU. apparently it was disingenuous to say no means out and yes means in when actually its the opposite that's true. who said that?, was that the lie you where referring to herbus?. who also said "you deserve to know the truth, you deserve to know the truth"? . just for the record the scots voted yes, it was the good folk from the EU and the again dare i say it? the english (mostly pensioners) that voted no. almost understandably considering the threats cumming from down south. similar info is starting to creep out re the brexit vote. if you have a beef with the remain/yes brigade take it up with May/Camoron not those that question. like the cabinet, the country is split. it aint gonna change come march 2019.
Total Leave. EEA Like Switzerland Stay. I still very much doubt that Parliament will ever pass Option 1.
So anyone who didn't vote as you did were xenophobic? fin your just proving the point as to the bus let's look at that No where does it say we will spend all our money going to the eu, on the nhs, you could not class it as a lie because again, it never said we will spend it on the nhs. Let me show you what a lie is, Labour saying a vote for them is a vote to end student debt, millions of students voted for them and , nothing. Another lie, a vote for the snp is a vote for independence and indi 2, which is firmly in the cupboard with the nats turning on Nic saying hold on a minute, you said.... So the bus says one thing and one thing only, what you took from that as an individual says more about you than any bus sticker but most understood what it was saying I do understand they have changed the way those figures are now calculated, they are not the only figures that from time to time are reviewed and updated, every government updates how figures are calculated. but your main argument seems to be that there is more transparency now rather than the government you think is to be trusted on your behalf, the snp government, didn't even know this was going on? The money has always been there, if it had another title then your government of 10 years didn't notice it and that is the government you want? Next they will be agreeing with the eu that an air taxi is just that and not a private jet at £25k a trip Honestly fin? your suggestion is that the people of Scotland decided to vote to stay in the U.K. in the independence referendum was because olf old English pensioners who had retired to Scotland? Next you will be telling me a cook in America on facebook said don't do it. As to the national elections that followed where the snp lost a third of their mp's in the commons, did we suddenly send a third extra English pensioners up there then too? As much as you suggest otherwise fin, most remainers just want to get on with it. It's only the spoilt child ones who think democracy is only valid when their side wins that seem to have a problem. We have voted for brexit, we have started for brexit, the idea now is to get the best deal we can and I'm sure we will
Troll-la-lah-la-laaaah. You make me feel like singing, finm! That's not something you can just forgive, you know? : o D
Ta, common sense normally has you struggling so I'll sum it up for you fin. We have a democratic vote, one that has had the largest national turn out for the U.K., people made their own minds up who they were going to vote and the majority said leave. SOME of the remainers have said there should be a second vote as the brexiteers were to stupid to understand what they were voting vote. So if we have one vote and brexit wins, how many more votes do you think we should have and at what point do you find a vote conclusive?
yip. you got the result you wanted. which is about the only undeniable thing you can say about the disgrace that was run last june. but democracy allows us to continue on. suck it noobs.
Actually I'm not sure about anyone else but the night of the vote, even farrage was saying around 11.30pm that they thought brexit had lost so like many, we thought we'd wake up the next morning hating that we were still in the eu but would still get on with it. It was a pleasant surprise that brexit won the next morning. As to the campaigns again you assume unless people voted the same as you that they were to stupid to understand or that the campaigns were rigged. I think we saw from project fear how much facts can be twisted but again, you have to respect that individuals saw all this, saw through the waffle and still made an informed decision. You seem to be spending too much time wondering why the brexit side won rather than the remainers lost because to admit your side lost would have to accept your argument was not good enough. you still haven't answered the question though fin but I'll give you a lead in. After demanding the people of Scotland should not be ignored and had a right to an indi vote, one was given and the people of Scotland for a generation, decided to stay within the U.K. So despite saying the people must be listened to, the indi's said nahhhh that ain't democracy, we lost, we want another vote 30 months later and when challenged, some said if they lost indi 2 that they might ask for indi 3 too straight away if they lost that one too So if we have one vote and brexit wins, how many more votes do you think we should have and at what point do you find a vote conclusive?
bollox, if the vote hadn't gone the way it did, the edl and kippers would of been voted in on mass and forced another reff within 5years. that is the power of the press.
I'm sure you feel that fin, I have my doubts but you have again, avoided the question So if we have one vote and brexit wins, how many more votes do you think we should have and at what point do you find a vote conclusive?
Was this the same press that was all gung-ho for Remaining? Or do you have your own pro-Brexit village printing press up there? You're making less sense than usual and that, good buddy, seemed impossible.
i know you like facts loz. heres one. 82% of the press by readership is/was pro brexit. 80% of the press by ownership is off shored only one paper in scotland up to sep 2014 was pro indi.
If those figures were true, I doubt, then you seem to ignore two points fin. Firstly the huge amount of discussions that were NOT in the media, as this thread is an example and secondly again you are asserting that 82% of the public are media sheep so must be too stupid to understand which is the mantra of those on the losing side no matter what the vote seems to be of late
*shrug* I literally only read a couple of on-line papers in the run-up to Brexit, the Times in particular and they all seemed to be crying with rage at the thought of Brexit happening. I have almost no first-hand experience of what the printed MSM was up to and relied upon clips that people I know passed on to me. Perhaps they were unrepresentative. All I know for sure is that my general impression of the MSM was that of pro-Remain.
the figures are correct. i get it. you went with your gut which is cool, you have a particular set of issues unique to your area which means yer vote is understandable. completely different to up here which makes the lack of come and go from the current gov makes the uk untenable. its over. tick tock. up until after my particular vote i never went to dodgy sites for my info, i got it from the BUM. no sniggering at the back there, i went from one side to the other, it was me gut than won me over. looking around me something didn't quite add up to the pish coming from the papers and bbc.
I haven't read the newspapers in many years - decades before the Brexit referendum. I haven't watched the TV News in nearly as long. I realise that you are new to this alternative-media thing so I should give you some slack, I suppose. I do expect noob to keep handing you your arse though so you'd better start shaping up, son.
Fin it may surprise you, most brexiteers do not trust msm either and despite some remainer's claims, most saw the papers positions for brexit the same as the rest of their stories, to be taken with a pinch of salt and worthy of further investigation.
