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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. Nope but it does go back to a re-occuring theme fin. Eveything good in Scotland the snp claim they did and when it's bad they claim the tories at westminster did it. they have the same limitations in international policy

    In regards to the divorce bill it goes like this. The eu has a rolling 7 year forward planning system. The current one runs out in 2020. This is where our legal obligations end as we signed into those.

    The eu feel we have a moral obligation after 2020 (not legal) as during that 7 year rolling when projects were being discussed the U.K. agreed in principle with the other countries on the suggestions BUT has never signed upto them. Remember these are mostly future projects that have not yet happened. It is that moral obligation the eu feels we have pay for at roughly £10 billion a year for the next 7 years but they feel they are giving us a discount at around £50-60 billion divorce settlement

    Morally if this is a divorce then we quite rightly we would be allowed as the second highest financial contributor to the eu project, to ask for some of the assets. The eu will quite rightly say there is no legal basis for this in article 50. So the eu are saying we are morally obliged to them whilst stating they only abide by legal obligations on the other end.

    Why does this effect our moss eating northern cousins? The small amount seeking independence would have to use our final agreement as their benchmark so morally we could ask Scotland to pay up for all generally accepted future projects whilst denying them the much sought after pro rata per person financial sillyness settlement AND they would have to pay the U.K. whilst at the same time paying the eu.

    What say you fin?
     
  2. yip, and everything that is bad is the EU'S fault despite the uk government involvement in shaping it.
    you know, there's people out there that would buy that utter shite.
     
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  3. No not everything is the eu's fault, but a organisation that spans 28 different countries and cultures will inevitably end up the larger they grow, not pleasing more people than they please. People like you fin paint the eu as the saviour, god knows what duke thinks, only sigmund could work that out but look at the eu beyond just the eu and the U.K.

    Financially they are in the shit. At the moment they are pumping so much money into the euro to keep it afloat through the ecb and the imf that at some point it will have to be paid for. Poland is likely to face political sanctions for daring to say no we make our own rules, france is about to announce no eu foriegn workers staying in France for more than 12 months to protect French workers and if you choose to have an open mind and look into the eu's problems, whilst brexit is the current largest one, it has several larger on the horizon
     
  4. how much quantitative easing has been going on over here?
    where is your uk in the economic growth league at the mo?
    whats the uk's projected growth forecast for the next 5years. how much will your debt be then?
     
  5. I understand a lot more than you will ever know.
     
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  7. well, if thats what you call talking i guess the general consensus is correct
     
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  8. It is, duke is a loon
     
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  9. A classic CJ moment from Dukey.
     
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  10. Well my moss munching northern friend I will try and answer

    Most of ours comes through interest rates being low which as the number seems strangely familiar, 10 years since the last interest rate increase, which means nothing has changed well before brexit and it hasn't now. Scotland I seem to recall is part of the U.K. so will have benefited too despite on a yearly basis doing an Oliver twist and always asking for more.

    The eu has been flooding it's markets to try and draw the euro alongside the pound but the cost of doing this with 2 thirds of countries taking out more than they put in will cause them major major issues after brexit is dealt with.

    Economic growth, funnily enough, everyone agrees the U.K. whilst lower than predicted, is still growing economically. The world bank predicted in June this year that the U.K.'s growth would eventually be 1.7% by the end of the 2017/2018 year end http://www.cityam.com/265954/world-bank-upgrades-uk-economic-growth-forecast-against I would add to this however that the events in North Korea are currently shaping the markets in a way brexit never could.

    As to a five year forecast, this will be difficult for the eu, U.K. to predict as the deal will decide much. One thing that is largely agreed upon is that whether it slows or speeds up, most of the U.K. and e.u. will be on the growth side and not the negative side.

    However there is one caveat for the eu, despite the whingers total focus on the eu vs the U.K. the eu has some massive challenges that some see as the beginning of the end so the eu prediction is a bit like nicola's indi 2 plans, it's on the table, but no one is seeing them
     
  11. Can someone explain to me how on earth any of the posts from the mention of Tony Blair and onwards related in any way to xenophobia?

    Is it because Juncker is foreign? Therefore if he's an absolute disaster of a politician we can't say that otherwise we're xenophobic?

    I think I get this game now.

    Jesus fucking wept
     
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  12. Despite claiming to be the intellectual elite and looking down on brexiteers as "not knowing what they voted for" rather than display and admit their breast feeding need to suckle off the eu, they simply use shutdown politics of calling everyone they don't like, xenophobic, islamaphobic, homophobic, racist and any other echo chamber new word they have learnt from the guardian.

    Where most will look at those silly people and just call them lemon eaters, very bitter
     
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  13. Anybody remember 'A Fish Called Wanda'?

    The duke reminds me of Otto, who hated being called stupid and to prove he wasn't, read philosophy. Jamie Lee Curtis's final line could have been written for Dukey88 :)

     
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  14. dude if we were friends you would of popped in when yer now happy ex MRS got married. but you didnt.
    i think the more reasonable on this thread are fully aware of many of your comments on this and other threads. you really do rely on yer readership having short memories dont you?.
    dont bother, we are done for today.
    the other side of the story.
    http://www.alynsmith.eu/scotland_in...x0109_0&utm_medium=email&utm_source=alynsmith
     
    #8794 finm, Sep 1, 2017
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  15. Alyn's got the hump because in 18 months he's out of a job.
     
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    Perhaps this is more your preference?
     
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  18. Nope. As i have said before I am only really interested in the cultural and human aspect of it. But our lame duck PM, alcoholic Brexit secretary and the expense fiddler Fox are taking us to financial distaster.
     
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  19. You left out saying that they "Smelled of wee" :rolleyes:
     
  20. I see what you mean
     
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