British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. The EU Commission is in the pay of corporate business. The last thing big business wants to see is regulation of the economy brought back under the control of parliamentary democracy. They've got used to controlling it themselves. Of course there's a blizzard of cataclysmic "reports". I'm surprised there haven't been more. Corporate Project Fear was as predictable as EU Kafka-ism and can be similarly discounted.
    Politicians and bureaucrats are supposed to represent and serve; businesses are supposed to innovate and adapt. The sooner they all accept that reality and start doing it, the better.
     
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  2. Nothing it that article mentions 30 plans, nothing. All that article says is that some people not in governmenrt, so not the negotiating team, want the negotiating team to tell everyone everything they have up their sleeve whilst they negotiate with the eu.

    You making wild claims that have not a single iota of truth,fact or even effort is not unusual but instead your normal meal for the table duke, typical of a echo and shotgun politics.

    As to the article, typical of most extreme remoaners, miss miss I'm not at the big table miss but I want to know everything.
     
  3. Who do you think funds UK political Parties?
     
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  4. Let him continue to make stuff up @noobie , when he produces 'evidence', he's shit at it. :confused:
     
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  5. Duke makes fin look like Stephen Hawking, no disrespect meant to Hawking's :D
     
  6. we can elect UK political parties and we can sack them again. We can't do either with the EU Commission.
    If business wants its ideas represented in government the political parties it attaches itself to need to be electable. The EC does not. It just issues imperial decrees.
     
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  7. The last count I saw from the eu was the population of the eu was 508 million https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/figures/living_en

    Can you tell me duke, how many of those 508 million people had a vote on the eu president and eu comissioners? and how many of those 508 million can vote them out?
     
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  8. Quick round up this weekend

    Keir Starmer has said we should keep paying the eu after brexit to keep trading. They love dishing out money do Labour but you have to ask, why would we pay to use their markets but at the same time allow them to use ours for free?

    Spain has insisted the Catalonian government clarify by the end of business tomorrow (Monday) whether Catalonia has actually declared independence or not. I suspect the Catalonian president may ignore Spain, doing things at his own pace

    Austria, as was warned earlier in the year, has had their elections today (Sunday) and it looks like the 31 year old Sebastian Kurz of the Austrian People’s party (ÖVP) who has massive youth support, will be the next Austrian leader. What is surprising some is his parties main policies are removing much of Austria's red tape, reducing/removing much of the eu's ability to control Austria's day to day running and reducing the eu's influence, a burqa ban and is a hard line anti immigrant line with an intent to stop giving state money to migrants through the benefits system.

    This, added to the German elections where the right also saw a substantial increase, will be worrying the eu. Add Macrons industrial mass change attempts, the eu have many things to worry about than just brexit.
     
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  9. I said nuffink......
     
  10. Keir Starmer said today that if any deal was less advantageous than what we have today Labour would vote against it.
     
  11. Starmer hasn't gone far enough.

    Post-Brexit, we should not only keep paying into the EU and keep our place in the single market, we should also retain, in toto, free movement of goods, services, capital and labour. I would suggest that we arrange to have individuals, voted by the UK electorate, to represent the UK region in the EU Parliament.

    Uh-huh. When you have begun to believe that people are THAT stupid to fall for that crap, you actually ARE that stupid.
     
  12. Agree, I think as John mentioned, I feel Starmer hoped that no one noticed that bit of the interview where he said labour would block any deal that wasn't better( as he saw it) than what we currently have. He seems to forget the majority of the house, and his own party, voted for article 50 and have constantly said honest guv we are not trying to stop it.

    As suspected on Catalonia this morning, The Catalan leader Puigdemont has stumped Spain's president. Instead of confirming or denying they are independent, Puigdemont has simply said that as before, the doors are open for negotiations should Spain wish to seize that opportunity. The ball is now firmly back with Spain as they have said no negotiations because until Puigdemont confirms one way or another Catalan independence, then Spain runs the risk of illegally taking over a region.

    Austria, a piece in RT today but once paragraph caught my eye,

    He particularly drew attention to the fact that a right-wing coalition that could be formed in Austria following the latest parliamentary elections might bring Austria, which traditionally “stuck with Germany and the Brussels establishment” in its policy, closer to the Visegrad Group, which now includes Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic and Slovakia, which took an especially-tough stance on immigration and refused to fulfill their obligations under the refugee allocation quotas imposed by Brussels.

    https://www.rt.com/news/406796-austria-vote-results-europe/
     
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  14. Junker and Verhofstadt need to be replaced, somehow, we will never make progress with them at the front.

    Hopefully May will make some progress today in Brussels.

    I cannot understand the people who say that no deal is so abhorrent that we shouldn't plan for it. Do they not realise that sends the signal "we must eventually accept what you (the EU) have to offer" ?
     
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  15. Its time that our Gov put the country on a war footing and targeted the Top 20% of activities/products that represent 80% of our EU imports and put a plan together as to how we become self sufficient in them in a very short time frame (or find alternatives from outside the EU). That would concentrate minds in Brussels and kick our own industries and Gov out of the torpor that we currently find ourselves in.
     
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  16. Don't use the graun as a source often but this speaks loudly of Verhofstadt's credibility in government in 2002.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jan/25/worlddispatch.dutroux
    "So maybe Dutroux is being protected from on high. What other explanation can there be for such a disgraceful chain of events? But one thing is certain - the entire credibility of the current reformist government of Guy Verhofstadt and Belgium's very reputation as a normal civilised country is on the line. Further delay is unacceptable."
     
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