Then there is no point wasting time and British taxpayer's money on bogus "negotiations". Leave immediately without a "deal" revert to WTO and pay these imperialist cunts absolutely fuck all. Not a penny. Nothing.
The biggest damage to business on both sides is uncertainty. Whilst some will not see it as the preferred option if business were told, we can't get an agreement without so much acrimony and for years, that we now feel it is better to go to wto. So from January 1st 2018 we wish to make it known we are going to apply wto from March 19th 2019. We hope now that all sides, business's and future plans can now be safely made knowing where we stand now and from when the U.K. stands forward and ready to deal with the world once again. Do this it will save us billions right now to put back into our infrastructure, business can plan from the minute of the announcement and people can know where they stand. All this negotiations is simply the eu delaying and delaying hoping it will get so late that we will agree to anything, we won't.
I think Dukey, you'll find the trade facts suggest otherwise. We are (and will continue to be) their biggest 'export' market...... so they'd better start giving at least a few fucks. Edit: Source of data .....The National Institute of Economic and Social Research
16% of 100% is rather less than 45% of 100%. They lose 16% of their market. We lose 45% of our market. Who do you think would sink first?
think you might be wrong noob about blaming uncertainty as the sole reason for declining business activity . business activity increased leading up to our reff. again, its all in the messages you are pushing. and most of the rest of the EU is growing. faster.
Ah, percentges, the last bastion of a lost argument. What are the real world differences in the trade defecit in £'s? or €'s if you prefer.
Fin, how do you feel about the eu trying to create a two tier legal system in the U.k even though we will not be an eu country, affiliate or even part time eu member? Why should we have that when no other non eu country they deal with is asked to do that?
WTO rules ARE a reasonable deal....half the bloody world trades under them! There won't be 10% duty on a Ducati,unless the EU stick 10% on something we export an equivalent amount of to the EU. And you might hear Mr Audi's arse beginning to squeak ,should the EU start playing hardball with the UK over tariffs on our exports. But there are rules,(that's why they are called WTO rules),about how much anyone can charge in tariffs.They cannot be unfair,you see,that's the whole point of them. Should there be a Tariff war,(there won't),then the EU will be far worse off overall than the UK,because they export far more to us than we do to them. And no EU member can buy themselves out of paying those UK tariffs,(if they happen-but they won't),because they are locked in to a bloc with many competing interests, For example if there are 14 EU countries that export fuck all to us and therefore have no interest in anything but our massive contributions to the EU budget,they can put a gun to the head of all the other EU countries that do export to us. And if we don't like the price of French lamb,we can buy NZ lamb which is currently bloody expensive because of the EU tariffs designed to protect French farmers from global competition. That goes for every commodity worldwide of course,no longer will other countries exports be too expensive for UK consumers,and as has already been reported widely there are many countries that would like trade deals with the fifth largest economy in the world...that's us in the UK dontcha know. And even if you might,(very very unlikely),have to pay a few more quid for your Duke,there will be millions enjoying cheaper prices than they do now...surely you don't begrudge people on low incomes paying less for their weekly shop,do you? All of the above was completely and clearly apparent to most Leave voters,(at least those I'm acquainted with anyway). By the way,Article 50 states that the EU must deal fairly with neighbouring countries. Well,we'll be a neighbouring country after,(IF),we leaveI'm really looking forward to the UK being treated fairly by the EU in the future. Because so far,they've been doing anything but... And one more thing: Farage has been an MEP for 18 years.His pension is very generous,but at least he has stood by his principles.He has always campaigned on a platform of taking the UK out of the EU and has never wavered.He has never flinched from standing up in the EU chamber and saying it how it is,and whether you agree with him or not he has been steadfast in the face of of pretty vocal opposition.In the event we do leave the EU,he'll have earned his pension.Not like the majority of the other time serving parasites that infest the Brussels/Strasbourg axis of evil.
Let's just say the lamb wasn't the best example and the reality is the opposite of what you stated above. Based on the Agriculture and Horticulture development board. 1)There is no tariff on sheep imported from NZ. 2) EU is the biggest market for UK sheep. 3 France is the biggest market for UK lamb. Sheep meat at a glance (source AHDB page 10 of 12, see link below) The EU quota system for sheep meat imports allows New Zealand, in particular , tariff-free access and much will depend on how these imports are managed in future. The UK is by far the largest exporter of sheep meat in the EU, so tariff-free access to the EU market will be crucial to the sector’s prospects. France is the UK’s biggest customer for sheep meat, accounting for around half of exports UK lamb struggles to compete on price outside the EU but there are opportunities to position as a premium product Cheaper cuts and offal may offer a market opportunity in Asia, the Middle East and emer ging economies, subject to agreeing market access. https://ahdb.org.uk/brexit/documents/BeefandLamb_bitesize.pdf http://beefandlamb.ahdb.org.uk/markets/industry-reports/uk-statistics/
if yer referring to NI was it not the Maybot that tried to create a two tier system? i could be wrong here but according to you lot ts down to the EU to make the compromises. anyhoo, why would other full EU members need a part time arrangement?
No not NI. The eu's demands for citizens rights. They want U.K. citizens in the U.K. to have our supreme court as our top court but are insisting that if you are a eu citizen and live in the U.K. that you can ignore the U.K.'s highest court and still go to the e.u.'s highest court, effectively creating a two tier legal system in a non eu country.
Apologies for being not quite up to date,but the bi-lateral agreement on meat imports is pretty recent. In 2015 NZ PAID $70 million in EU tariffs on their red meat exports into the EU. A cynic might point out that the EU's current rush to an FTA with NZ may have something to do with our vote to leave the EU,if the EU is looking at a punishing tariff on UK lamb exports to the EU then NZ lamb might be their preferred replacement. "New Zealand already enjoys a number of bilateral trade cooperation agreements with the EU. These agreements pave the way for negotiations on a free trade agreement (FTA) between the EU and New Zealand. However, both sides are expected to raise several sensitive issues during negotiations, not least because New Zealand is a major and competitive producer and exporter of agricultural goods. The EU is committed to taking European agricultural sensitivities fully into consideration in its negotiating strategy, seeking to protect vulnerable sectors through specific provisions. In addition to facilitating trade and investment flows between the parties, the FTA would create a level playing field for the EU with other trading partners that have already concluded FTAs with New Zealand. The FTA would also strengthen the EU's position in Asia-Pacific value chains, and help to advance the trade policy interests of the EU in the region. On 13 September 2017, the European Commission presented draft negotiating directives for an FTA with New Zealand. This draft mandate, in line with the EU Court of Justice's recent opinion on the EU-Singapore FTA, covers only areas falling under the EU's exclusive competence. Therefore, the prospective agreement could be concluded by the EU on its own and could be ratified at EU level only. The Commission aims to finalise negotiations before the end of its mandate in late 2019". http://www.europarl.europa.eu/thinktank/en/document.html?reference=EPRS_BRI(2017)608755 They might have a bi-lateral agreement with regard to meat,but not eveything: https://www.mfat.govt.nz/en/trade/free-trade-agreements/agreements-under-negotiation/eu-fta/
cant say tbh. i need examples of which laws they hope to influence and judge on. criminal? employment? human rights? trade? another good read from the bateman. http://derekbateman.scot/2017/12/05/a-hard-rain/
finm, do you see any difference between a set of rules enforced by a foreign quango and those of the nation itself? Come on, you must have experience of this, living where you do : o )
All of them fin. A european living in the U.K. can take their matter and if allowed, right the way to the supreme court in the U.K. If the U.K. gives a decision the european living in the U.K. does not like, then he can ignore the ruling and ask it to be heard at the ecj. This then allows U.K. NOT to be the definitive point for any european living in the U.K. By doing this as I mentioned, the eu will have turned the U.K.'s legal system into a 2 tier system where those who are natural inhabitants of a country are seen legally as second class citizens. As to Bateman, he looks spooky, by showing only the lower part of his face he looks like David Mellor
