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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. I take it you missed the simple yes or no part ? :D

    It also cancels out the second reply. Brits still can travel anywhere throughout europe but they may just simply get a gated community stamp on their passport now, so we will get something when we leave, yay.

    As to the Irish rights, am I right in saying the situation was there before we even joined the eu?
     
  2. So you think it lies in your power to pose a tendentious question and insist on a "Yes" or "No" answer, do you? Jeremy Paxman and John Humphrys can only dream of power like that.
     
  3. No, it wasn't.

    Before the UK joined the EU the Republic of Ireland was also not in the EU, so N Ireland citizens did not have any scope for gaining European citizenship by that route. NI and ROI citizens (along with E W & S citizens) all gained EU citizenship at the same time, so it was not an issue and there was no difference.

    The situation now (or rather putatively in 2019) is that NI citizens will continue to enjoy all the EU privileges and rights stripped from E W & S citizens.

    So much for the DUP not wanting NI to be "different" from the rest of the UK, and there not being a red line down the Irish Sea.
     
  4. I was talking about and it was clear , about the irish and northern irish passport citizen situation. It existed before either joined the eu so it's not as though the eu gave it to them is it.

    As to a simple yes or no answer, that was the question asked, if you felt unable to be to the point you should have concocted some long drawn out waffle reply that had nothing to do with the question...as you did.
     
  5. Incidentally the 1998 Good Friday Agreement (Section 2.1) provides that NI could join the ROI if at any time a majority of voters in NI approve this in a referendum. For the past 19 years republicans have not tried to get a referendum held in NI, because they knew the unionists would probably win.

    But the pattern has shifted politically and demographically until in the most recent elections unionists and republicans are almost neck and neck. The intransigence and gross incompetence of the DUP has damaged them still further in 2017, whilst the prosperity and modernity of the ROI is ever more enviable, and Sinn Fein is ever more respectable.

    I predict that within a couple of years there will be a referendum in NI as provided for in the GFA, the republicans will win, the six counties will be reunited at last with the other 26, and the United Kingdom will thus be ended. Great Britain will continue only until Scotland inevitably splits off in a few years. Then it will be just rump England and Wales at last.

    The Brexiteers will get what they wanted all along - for the UK to be wrecked, broken up, impoverished, and reduced to an irrelevancy. I admit I shall have to shed a few tears at this depressing prospect, but I can no longer see any route by which that outcome can be prevented.
     
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  6. we where winning before exe, we are the only place in the uk with a ttrade surplace
    mate i have a fair idea about exports and imports re scotland, its kind why i know whos subsidizing who. i also know that exports mean leaving the uk, but to where? :p
     
  7. I don't think Scots to down south counts fin
     
  8. Yeh finm, stop making things up! :eek:
     
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  9. yip, smart but ignorant. are you proud of the fact you know nothing of which you speak?. :)
     
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  10. See :eek:
     
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  11. YES. :)
     
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  12. I've dated a few but never really listened to them. Perhaps thats where I went wrong...
     
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  13. You don't need to listen to the words, just the tone :)
     
  14. Thanks mate. I always thought I was doing OK. They all yelled "I've arrived" everynight. Though it seemed out of place when they said it again in the morning.
     
  15. Have you been out drinking with duke again Pete?
     
  16. Utter tosh. Find one single voter for out that wanted that. It’s commets like that that simply undermine any credible comment in the future.
     
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  17. follow this for long enough and you will discover there's many a brexiteer that want shod of the provenances. they get to much see, they're a drain. farage says so.
     
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  18. Have you been at the erb again Pete?



    I like you Pete but using flashy words doesn't hide the fact you're trying to pedal dogshit.

    Yours is the classic "we need a vote because government is stopping us having one" and yet at every actual real event to challenge it, those asking for it have turned out to be chancers and liars. Salmon did it with indi one, the Catalans are in the throw of it at the moment where a true vote poll of around two thirds have Catalans having expressed the wish to stay part of Spain and despite the IRA now wearing suits (no one is fooled by this as they refuse to even take part in 2 democratic houses, westminster and stormont), 8 out of 10 Northern Irish want to remain in the U.K. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-37309706

    The snp are the perfect example, being the biggest group does not mean they get the biggest vote in an indi vote, so your doom and gloom posturing is fooling no one.

    At some point those in Northern Ireland may want a vote on the matter, no matter who is the biggest party, because being part of the U.K. allows that. The eu on the other hand ignored multiple votes in the Republic using eu dictat so the eu just created the lisbon treaty which got the same results through the back door over riding most irish.

    Most people of the U.K. see democracy as one of the last bastions of people power, the eu is the last place in the world that encourages this as like most with an empire agenda, they know the people are different from their leaders so try to reduce people power as much as they can


    Brexiteers have never wanted the U.K. to break up, we have from time to time and again the snp is a good example, sought to clarify some points. Had England had an indi 1 vote at the same time as the Scots for England the vote could have had two questions 1, do you want Scotland to leave the U.K. ? the large majority would have said no and question 2, do you wish the snp would simply stop ruining Scotland and fuck off, the outstanding majority would have voted yes because we understand that the snp is not Scotland in the same way the eu project is not all europeans and the Scottish people know this, which is why the greater majority said up yours to independence snp.
     
  19. I was going to say that, but couldn't be bothered. :rolleyes:
     
  20. Try Farage, Davis, Johnson, Gove, Rees-Mogg, Cash ... that's six to start off with. They're wreckers whose objective was chaos. Their method was to trick, deceive, and mislead voters into believing there would be something to be gained by Brexit. And just enough people swallowed this guff - for some of them, the penny has still not dropped yet, apparently.
     
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