No, just the ex-surgeons, ex-policemen, and ex-bricklayers who promised to save lives, uphold the law and build walls, but who consistently failed to do so. So tell me, do you believe that politicians generally have a higher or lower success rate that those in the professions you mentioned? No naked flames near this statement, please. Severe fire risk, don'tcha know.
There is much in what you say, but it is not easy to extract a coherent meaning from your last sentence @shadow . Try this: Not every Leave voter is a racist, but all the racists are Leave voters. Not ever Leave voter supports the Far Right, but all the Far Right supporters are Leave voters. Those Leave voters who are not themselves racists or fascists have voted alongside those who are, to their shame. It would be fair to say that any Leave voter who fails to grasp this is delusional. And any who grasp it very well but try to insist on denying it are being deceitful.
i liked your post but have to disagree with the tit for tat scare story's. being made aware of the potential fall out aint scare tactics. its politics. where i agree tho is the amount of EU relationships you have had. no wonder nobody likes us on the continent. :smileys:
No. I voted for my own reasons of which I am certainly not ashamed. If others voted the same way as me yet did so for reasons that I do not agree with then that is outside of my control and I cannot be held accountable for that.
It was the way it was portrayed and people feeling they would be 'stupid' :Bucktooth: to go against 'all the financial experts' a definite immediate emergency budget etc etc, and especially getting Obama to say we would be at the back of the queue - atrocious. As I said before America as a friend should have commented that whatever the outcome they would stand by their closest friend. It was atrocious and funnily enough has since been rightfully rescinded. This alone would have scared many surely? And I have not had relations with some European countries actually :Finger:
But what it does illustrate is the anti democratic credentials of those who know, with absolute certainty, that they are right.
thats politics.exe certain things strike a chord with certain people. the press know this as did farage and co. as for not all Europeans. well, thats the down side to electronic communication these days. word gets around. :Smuggrin:
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Are you suggesting that voting out, for no matter what reason, was a shameful act because of the divergent beliefs of others who voted the same way? If so I can't agree with you.
I think he was summarising what Shadow had said in a different form of English - not necessarily his own opinion...
Please, NO! This man has done enough damage to the world. Time for him to feck off back under his stone.
there is a factory near me where i have often worked over the years,, now there are 100 eastern euopeans there,, and no locals can get a start ..
what i read folks was how could you not fathom or foresee the risks of a brexit campaign exe your vote didn't hinge on some of the sex slave labour directives the EU was proposing was it?
The campaign in it's own rite wasn't a risk but the outcome was a risk worth taking in many peoples (majority) opinion. If everyone showed a little positivity to this new dawn for the UK nations the future would be better for sure. If we had remained in I would have never mentioned another word on the matter - what a silly undemocratic march in London today . The in voters were not losers, just a little timid, but ultimately winners too - we are all together now and should fight for a better future not only for the UK 'as a whole' but for the world :Angelic: Should I stand as lead negotiator instead of Tony :Hilarious:
A lot depends on the final settlement with the EU. One possible scenario is we leave the EU and join the EEA with freedom of movement still in effect. The will of the people will have been exercised - the UK will have left the EU - but perhaps not what many if not most of the Leave voters wanted. In such a case I imagine neither the Leavers or Remainers will feel they have won. This is just one possible scenario, it really does depend on what the settlement is. Until then I shall reserve my right to be pessimistic about the future.
If I understand you correctly, you seem to be saying you accept that in voting Leave you were voting alongside people whom you do not agree with (presumably racists etc), that you are not in denial of this fact, that you are not delusional about it, and you are not lying about it. If that is so, it seems we are perilously close to agreement on this point. Of course you cannot control how or why other people vote - no-one can - but you can choose for yourself whether you vote alongside them. No voters are held accountable for anything; that's the way democracy works.
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Bricklayers rarely are impeded by teams of other bricklayers trying to stop them from building walls. Politicians however are continually obstructed, thwarted, and stabbed in the back by others who oppose them (chiefly in their own party). Politicians also paint on a vast and complex landscape, orders of magnitude larger and more variable than the other professions. Achieving even a little bit of success is hugely difficult. And any career, even the most illustrious, can be brought to an end at a moment's notice. Against this background, most politicians achieve very little success in their careers, and some achieve none at all. At the ends of their careers, most politicians are either voted out of office, forced to resign, or sacked. Some retire from old age or ill health. A few leave at a time of their own choosing (e.g. Harold Wilson, Tony Blair). None have achieved all they wanted, so in that sense they all fail. That does not make it a fair criticism of a retired individual to say they have "failed".
