1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

?
  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

Results are only viewable after voting.
  1. Tonnes of that fin, I'll sell you a pamphlet on how to recognise it.
     
  2. I'm no trade unionist but they've got this right.

    "While a vote to leave the EU on Thursday will not stop this European-wide criminal colonial enterprise immediately a vote to remain will be one that endorses it."


    http://www.tuaeu.co.uk/how-the-eu-starves-africa/
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  3. 50% on New Zealand lamb

    Most beef imports into the EU are subject to ad valorem tariffs of 12.8 per cent, plus a fixed amount ranging from €1,414 to €3,041 per tonne, depending on the cut. In most cases, this tariff equates to an addition of 50 per cent or more to the value of imports, which seriously impacts on the ability of imported beef to compete with EU meat.
    Page 4 of 12 of the agriculture and horticultural developement board

    https://ahdb.org.uk/brexit/documents/BeefandLamb_bitesize.pdf
     
  4. Would explain why the kiwis are all for it :upyeah:
     
  5. which encourages better planning and infrastructure along with more self reliance.
    forestry, farming, water and energy take massive amounts of investment and forward planning. you wanna be more reliant on unpredictable regimes, weather patterns and corporate undercutting that results in closures before they take full control of life's essentials?.
    batter on folks.
     
    • Useful Useful x 1
  6. That sounds like you're supporting brexit fin, good lad.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  7. exact opposite. we are now more open to corporate exploitation.
    save that pish for the you know who.
     
  8. Does that mean you agree the eu was and remains, a protectionist market keeping out cheaper food as brexiteers said?
     
  9. make america great again.
    well, durr. of course it is. is that all bad? taking democratically won Scottish powers to make *cough* uk frameworks is good?. fck off man.
    aye, the latest brexit stratify of blaming exploitation of third world countries on the EU.
    try corporate CEO's, colonial and US of A foreign policy.
     
  10. I take it you will be boycotting cheaper food when it starts coming in? Good lad
     
  11. Allowing cheaper food imports doesn't mean we have to abandon our own agriculture. Quite the opposite when we're out of the CAP. EU direct farm subsidy hands 80% of taxpayer's subsidy cash to 20% of the largest and richest industrial producers. It is a system tailor-made to wreck food production diversity and self-sufficiency, deplete our farming infrastructure and damage the landscape. The CAP protection racket is already exposing us to corporate exploitation and has made our agricultural industry a money laundering playground for venture capitalists and foreign oil billionaires. They don't farm food, they farm subsidy cheques based on the number of hectares owned, which is killing off sustainable traditional farming, hollowing out the workforce and turning the countryside into a corporate-owned, contractor-driven mono-cultural desert. Which is hardly surprising since the corporate fat cats who are monopolising our agricultural sector and pocketing taxpayer's cash are the very people who lobby and back-hand the EU Commission and pull its strings to get these systems and regulations set up in the first place.

    And there's nothing new about the calling out the damage EU protectionism does to developing countries, particularly in Africa. Anti-EU campaigners have been doing it for decades. It is criminal colonialist exploitation and the poverty it causes is a primary factor in driving mass-migration from the third world into Europe. Why shouldn't millions of the world's poorest people feel that Europe owes them a solution when it's Europe that is fuelling so much of the impoverishment at home.
     
    #14272 Gimlet, Jul 29, 2018
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 29, 2018
  12. theres that trust thing. the 1bill grab money is now in full control of westminster departments.
    westminster stole? 160mill of cap payments that where specifically intended for Scottish hill farmers and redistributed it to ruk farmers. some might not see the benefit of these small farms in difficult to farm areas. some dont see the bigger picture.
     
  13. 23% of uk food and drink exports come from north of the border. the uk's biggest export comes from north of the border. yip, looking forward to being undercut and closed down to save the financial and motor industries.
     
  14. Most U.K. farms are owned and operated by multinationals, you then have farmers who farm whilst the farm is owned by investment companies, normally pension funds, real farmers who operate just one farm in the U.K. are in the minority

    The farming subsidies will carry on from the £18 billion total we paid through eu involvement, to uk farmers for a while until it is changed in negotiation with farmers and industry but that is unlikely to be anytime soon.

    I just knew you'd turn it into all about Scotchland

    There is no billion money grab fin, as there is no power grab either. Whatever went to the eu was through the uk government, what ever is returned will be back to the uk government, you know this but keep being silly.

    As to 23% of drinks exports come from the north, they come from U.K. companies with partial operations in Scotland and unless you have facts they will close, then all you are doing is scaremongering again
     
    #14275 noobie, Jul 29, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2018
  15. yip, most of those minorities are up here, they also support cottage industries and tourism. meh, no biggie.
     
  16. It is important fin, but you only look at it through opportunist snp eyes, as we've seen, you don't quite use specsavers, you use


    [​IMG]
     
  17. yip, pointing out the *unintended consequences* aye right, is always a bad thing.
     
  18. Unintended consequences mean that is already happened fin, concerns about future events is something different and are worth listening to as part of the solution but you keep portraying fears as they have already happened, about to happen and almost nothing to support it.

    Example...23% of uk food and drink exports come from north of the border. the uk's biggest export comes from north of the border. yip, looking forward to being undercut and closed down to save the financial and motor industries.

    Any facts to support that?
     
Do Not Sell My Personal Information