Also it is he who is the liar, not those who supported Brexit. No one supporting Brexit ever said it would be easy. In fact every prominent Brexiteer has been saying for years, long before the referendum, that the EU, which regards the UK as a colonial possession, would do everything they could to make leaving leaving as difficult as possible, that there was no point in wasting time on farcical Article 50 "negotiations" since the EU side never had any intention of reaching a negotiating settlement and the UK should have moved straight to WTO immediately. They have been proved right, as they were always going to be. It is Remainiacs and EU ideologues like Macron who lie when they claim the EU is "negotiating".
Even IDS is now shitting himself at the thought of a no deal. It will put the Tories out of power for years with the recession that will follow.
So May reportedly made yet another strategic mistake. I have no confidence in her whatsoever and maybe she needs to be withdrawn from action before more time is lost: The spin from Downing Street had been that Theresa May’s meeting with her Irish counterpart, Leo Varadkar, shortly after breakfast in the margins of an EU summit in Austria, had been “relatively warm”, albeit “frank”. The dawning truth later that evening was that, in a premiership littered with missteps, May had made one of her worst errors of judgment as the two leaders and their teams met in a private room in Salzburg’s Mozarteum University. For weeks the working assumption in Brussels had been that, on the Irish issue at least, a major step forward would be made by the next leaders’ summit in October. But over the coffee the prime minister dropped a bombshell. She did not believe it would be possible for the British government and Brussels to come to a solution by then. Six months after promising to come up with a fix that would avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland in all possible circumstances, the British appeared to be stalling for time again. The message reverberated around the Salzburg summit and reached the ear of the French president, Emmanuel Macron. The intention had been that this would be a good summit for the prime minister, giving her something to work with on the eve of a difficult Conservative party conference. “Things didn’t happen as we expected,” an EU official admitted. The French president ripped up the plan to offer Theresa May warm words along with an extraordinary Brexit summit on 17 and 18 November in order to finalise the terms of a Brexit deal. During a two-hour Brexit discussion over lunch among the EU27 heads of state and government, Macron told his fellow leaders that the prime minister should not be allowed to drag her heels. The pressure for a result needed to be increased.
I feel sorry for May in a way, she has tried to appease both sides when she was always going to fail, if she had stuck to the vote decision of a clear break she would have been okay. She was warned early, the eu commission to protect the project, always wanted us to go to wto. They would waste 2 good years trying to take us to the last minute then they would walk away making no negotiations at all. It's always difficult when two sides go to negotiate and only one side wants too.
FYI. Each week I and few friends go for a social drink, about half a dozen. 2 years ago we all thought we wanted Brexit. Now since then there has been a hell of a lot of scare mongering and remainers saying that people who voted Brexit were misinformed and if they had another referendum then the result would be different. Last night another poll was taken between us and we all still want Brexit, no one changed their vote. As one famous quote goes its better to die on your feet than live on your knees. I don't think M Carney or the IMF have an exclusive 100% record in accurate predictions so I think we can just take their rantings as attempted manipulation. I know my little group is lets say little, but indicates that all this talk about the mood changing is Bollocks from my Micro survey. Has anyone on this forum changed their vote from 2 years ago. Lets leave. TB
Not a bad straw pole. My point would be that if you were down the pub with 50 mates, it would only take one to change their mind which would change the result
The vast majority of people I know voted leave and none have changed their mind. The establishment have tried to scare people but they don’t understand the decision was made from the heart. I am disgusted by the media, politicians and useless celebrities telling us they know best. I have tried to keep clear of this thread as I get so passionate about this subject. Better to die on your feet than live on your knees,love that quote and that is 100% how I feel. When did such a large portion of this great collection of nations become such spineless cowards?
And the Vote Leave campaign hit with the first GDPR notice for breaking the rules. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-45589004
Spot on my friend... but this is unfortunately going to drag on & on & on, & we have to endure all this, turning to the news channels is just like being tortured with it.. EU...fuck-em all
The only ones who have changed their minds are remainers who now want to leave. They can see how petty,spiteful and vengeful the Brussels bullies are. Desperation is setting in,they can see the UK cash cow disappearing over the horizon,and as much as the Germans might love their position at the top table,I doubt the average citizen will be pleased Merkel is going to fund the East Europeans with another £24 billion a year of their money. Even if that money is saved though,our crooked representatives are going to punish Joe Public by pouring it straight into the pockets of the public sector. That's what you get with socialism,no matter what a party calls itself. No one gives a toss about the man in the street who pays the taxes,the government is only interested in looking after the ones who receive the taxes.
It is odd, and ridiculous, how we shout and seem to take others points of view as fact and fair yet not our own leader.
They need us more than we need them, not just for trade but especially for our EU contributions ....remember when Thatcher was our leader & the EU came onto her for even more hefty contributions but she did not only tell them where to stick it but eventually got us a rebate.. I know what Mr Trump would do with em, fuck-em all off....if the states ever want to get rid of him send him over hear.
