Choices, choices,choices...What ye gunna doo[/QUOTE] death by cirrhosis of the liver or death by the internet warrior ? hmm, i will take my chances with the latter. he comes across as a bit of a fanny to me, whit ye gonna doo, noobs. whit ye gonna doo?
You gotta love him, even at the wrong time of the month when he gets his cramps. Young Finial, I will promise you a bottle of your local distillers, Macallan's, Triple Cask Matured 15 Years Old Whiskey, when you become an independent Scotland https://www.themacallan.com/en/whis...ask-matured/triple-cask-matured-15-years-old/ I've probably got 40 years of life left so it might be a bottle of 55 year old whiskey by then
FURY as EU approves HUGE state aid for Slovakia car plant DAYS BEFORE UK operations close EXCLUSIVE: ANGRY and frustrated politicians have reacted to the approval of a massive €125million (£110million) payment by the European Union to help fund a new Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) plant in Slovakia, just days before the stalwart UK car brand announced plans to close its UK operations in Solihull, Birmingham.
Not really funny,chaps: European Commission - Press release State aid: Commission approves Slovakia's €125 million investment aid to Jaguar Land Rover Brussels, 4 October 2018 The European Commission has concluded that Slovakia's €125 million investment aid to Jaguar Land Rover is in line with EU State aid rules. The aid will contribute to the development of the region of Nitra, without unduly distorting competition in the Single Market. Margrethe Vestager, Commissioner in charge of competition policy, said: "Our investigation confirmed that Slovakia's €125 million public support to Jaguar Land Rover for its project to build a new car plant in the region of Nitra is in line with our State aid rules. Our investigation revealed that the aid was necessary for Jaguar Land Rover to invest in Europe rather than in Mexico. We also found that the measure will contribute to job creation and to the economic development of a disadvantaged region without unduly distorting competition." Jaguar Land Rover is a large car manufacturing company owned by Tata Motors Limited India. Jaguar Land Rover is investing €1.4 billion to build a car manufacturing facility in the region of Nitra (Slovakia), an area eligible for regional aid under EU State aid rules (Art. 107(3)(a) of the Treaty on the functioning of the European Union). The plant is due to have a production capacity of 150,000 cars per year. The project is expected to create about 3,000 direct jobs. Slovakia notified the Commission of its plans to grant €125 million of public support for the project. This represents the maximum aid that can be granted for such a project under the Commission's Guidelines on Regional State Aid for 2014-2020, which enable Member States to support economic development and employment in EU's less developed regions and to foster regional cohesion in the Single Market. The Commission's in-depth investigation opened in May 2017 confirmed that, when analysing in 2015 where to build the new car plant, Jaguar Land Rover considered several locations both in the European Economic Area (EEA) and in North America. Nitra was eventually selected as the preferred European location, while a city in Mexico was identified as the preferred alternative location in North America. The Commission's investigation established that without the investment aid, the project would not have been carried out in Europe but in Mexico. The Commission's investigation also showed that the aid was limited to the minimum necessary to trigger the decision by Jaguar Land Rover to carry out the investment in Slovakia, as it compensated the company for the financial disadvantages incurred for carrying out the project in Nitra rather than Mexico. Finally, the Commission found that the investment aid will contribute to job creation as well as to the economic development and to the competitiveness of a disadvantaged region. The Commission therefore concluded that the positive effects of the project on regional development clearly outweigh any distortion of competition brought about by the State aid. In its in-depth investigation, the Commission also assessed certain other measures carried out by the Slovak state. It concluded that they do not constitute aid within the meaning of EU State aid rules. More specifically, the Commission found that certain infrastructure measures financed by the Slovak state and carried out to develop the industrial estate where the new Jaguar Land Rover plant is located will not only benefit Jaguar Land Rover, but also all other companies located in the industrial estate and more generally in the Nitra region. Hence, they do not give a selective advantage to Jaguar Land Rover vis-à-vis other companies. In addition, the Commission found that the transfer by the Slovak state to Jaguar Land Rover of a 185 hectare land plot, where the car plant is being built, was carried out at market price. Background The aid is granted in the framework of a pre-existing aid scheme but had to be notified to the Commission for individual assessment and clearance because of the high amount of aid that gives rise to a higher risk of distorting competition. When approving an aid measure under the Guidelines on Regional State Aid for 2014-2020, the Commission has to be convinced that the following conditions are respected: The aid must have a real "incentive effect", in other words, it must effectively encourage the beneficiary to invest in a specific region; The aid must be kept to the minimum necessary to attract the investment to the disadvantaged region; The aid must not have undue negative effects, such as the creation of excess capacity in a declining market; The aid must not exceed the regional aid ceiling applicable to the region in question; The aid must not directly cause the relocation of existing or closed down activities from elsewhere in the EU to the aided establishment; and The aid must not divert investment away from another region in the EU which has the same, or lower, level of economic development than the region where the aided investment takes place. The non-confidential version of the decision will be made available under the case number SA.45359 in the State aid register on the Commission's Competition website once any confidentiality issues have been resolved. New publications of State aid decisions on the internet and in the Official Journal are listed in the State Aid Weekly e-News. http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-6023_en.htm
But you know nothing of the history of this plant and the local outrage it has caused and it's delays and reasons for them The EU also approved a grant to move the Ford Transit from the UK to Turkey - outside of the EU btw.. What point are you making exactly?
who gives a fuck. sovereignty! i dont remember anybody jumping up and down when the uk gov gave state aid to fish processioning plants to move jobs from the north east last year and Dumfries and Galloway this year to move to the north east of england. Hundreds of jobs lost. tough titty as they say.
I would agree but only if you nailed your mast to Brexit. This gives an indication of jlr's intent for the U.K and this would have happened whether we had remained or left https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44438846 Most of the stronger eu countries, (most of the northern ones), have pledged to hybrid then electric by 2040. Their decision I suspect, will be quicker than that given that the diesel market has slumped by 42% since the German emissions scandal within the last 18 months, plus the higher U.K. company car tax based on emissions on vehicles that cost over £40k new that has recently kicked in Of note is that only around 20% of jlr's vehicles go to the eu, and Globally, 95% of electric cars are sold in only 10 countries: China, the U.S., Japan, Canada, Norway, the U.K., France, Germany, the Netherlands and Sweden. https://money.cnn.com/2017/07/26/autos/countries-that-are-banning-gas-cars-for-electric/index.html Not all eu or global countries have committed to electric so even if those 10 countries go fully electric, someone will still need to build the "dirty" vehicles for those countries that are not committed to electric. Slovakia has not given any such promise to electric and so see's a free factory, jobs, eu money and fuck the carbon footprint, to put it lightly. This would be a business decision and would have happened even if the brexit vote had never happened but as a business it's a lovely ploy to blame. It's also worth mentioning workers wages in slovakia for car plants are half of the wages in the U.K., again, nothing to do with brexit but with big money multinationals. Look at our oil industry, if fully electric comes in then there will be a massive drop in need for petrol and diesel domestically and this could effect the oil companies domestically, effect jobs and future employment but again could see a massive growth in the electric market, something the doom slayers rarely see , the other side of the coin. So if you look beyond "it's all about brexit", you'll see there is a lot more going on and it's not all bad.
This all started back in 2015 and had nothing to do with Brexit. Just business getting the largest incentives to move where labour is cheap (900-1800 Euros/month). Pretty awful that the EU seems so ready to assist manufacturer's to leave the UK but probably just inevitable cost cutting by Tata. The UK's future is in AI, Fintech, services, etc and perhaps the design, R&D of cars, but sadly less manufacturing unless the process uses so few people that staffing costs become less important. 2015 Article quote: Jaguar Land Rover has insisted that a new £1bn factory in Slovakia will “complement” its UK operations, despite concerns from trade unions that it could put jobs at risk. The luxury carmaker, owned by the Indian multinational Tata, said the plant would initially produce 150,000 vehicles a year and employ 2,800 people. It is scheduled to open in 2018.
I'm upto 3.26 minutes fin and what a load of old shite, conveniently ignores Wales voted out too and mentions reverting back to colonial days whilst bypassing the U.K. came together to keep europe free and democratic twice previously. There was very little Englishness as described but more a dissatisfaction with the management company called the eu commissioners and project. It still amazes me just how many remainers continually go on about Englishness, colonialism rebranding and little Englanders. It is that level of stupidity and arrogance that ignores, deliberately, that 53.4% of English voted to leave but also 44.2% of Northern Irish voted to leave, 38% of Scots voted to leave and 52.5% of Welsh voted to leave. So anyone saying the English did it, Little Englanders did it, those seeking colonialism part deux did it and nationalism did it, are not only desperately trying to peddle a lie but are arse hats and cockwombles. I will continue watching it tomorrow though fin, in case the American and Southern Irish people on the video who did not have a vote, say something sensible.
That using money extracted from EU taxpayers,(including ourselves),given to Slovakia,and then used to subsidise ,(in this case an Indian),a privately owned- corporations business is wrong. The fact that it is a JLR plant isn't the point.It could be a local vegetable shop.the concept is wrong-headed. The Ford Transit plant was a perfect example-Ford make more money,but there are fewer jobs in Southampton as a result. If Ford were so keen on paying lower wages in Turkey why did they not use their own money to make the move? So the EU gave money that ENCOURAGED the loss of opportunities for it's own citizens,in favour of those who the EU nothing? Great idea! And that the money went to a non-EU country is even more exasperating!. I've said all this before,but: My own industry has suffered enormously,(here and in the original EU countries),because the EU took enormous sums FROM Western Europe,and gave it to Eastern European countries to modernise their haulage fleets -which is precisely why if you board any ferry or train going to or from the UK at least 90% of the commercial vehicles on board will be from the East. It is one thing using taxpayers money to better the lives of poorer citizens in other countries:building better houses,sewage plants,education etc. Which MAY attract employers to the area,as the population is better skilled/higher standard of literacy etc. But paying EU taxpayers money ,directly to a (non-EU in this case),corporation,which will artificially cut the cost/raise the profit element, of their products is wrong,especially when similar vehicles are already produced within the EU by EU-taxpaying citizens. Plenty of other sectors have suffered in the same way,German mining for example. As already stated the concept is wrong...if individual investors wish to invest abroad to maximise their profits,then good for them. But using the money from taxpayers in some countries to give other countries the chance to undercut the citizens who contributed? It would be like me deducting money from my drivers pockets,in order to open a depot in a place where I can hire cheaper drivers. And possibly put my current drivers out of work as a result. I appreciate that,(using haulage as an example),the consumer benefits from lower prices. But the same consumer,(if they are a taxpayer),will have to pay more in tax if skilled jobs are lost or relocated to other countries and the domestic welfare bill goes up. Cross-country subsidising is not a zero-sum game,and EU interference has consequences that MAY be unintended. But probably not,(Imho anyway). Working class people have few enough opportunities in this country as it is-the same people that complain about zero-hours contracts are the same people who buy pizzas delivered by Deliveroo,(and get them delivered cheap because the riders are on zero-hours contracts), who are the same people that support the EU,(who are the same people that take the taxes paid by the Deliveroo riders,(if they earn enough),to shift salaried jobs overseas so that there are no salaried job opportunities for people like Deliveroo riders). It's a big picture.
"Won’t you join our Common Market? said the Spider to the Fly, It really is a winner and the cost is not too high, I know De Gaulle said “Non”, but he hadn’t got a clue, We want you in, my friends and I, for we have plans for you. You’ll have to pay a little more than we do, just for now, As Herr Kohl said, and I agree, we need a new "milch cow". (that’s just a continental term, believe me, mon ami), Like “Vive la France” or “Mad Anglais” or even “E.E.C.” As to the rules, don’t worry friend, there’s really but a few, You’ll find that we ignore them – but they all apply to you! Give and share between us, that’s what it’s all about You do all the giving, and we all share it out. It’s very British, is it not, to help a friend in need? You’ve done it twice in two World Wars, a fact we must concede, So climb aboard the Market Train, don’t sit there on the side, Your continental cousins want to take you for a ride".
two different things bud, its hardly my fault you dont understand that.. *shrug* did the video leave you feeling a lil threatened? i think i have seen you mention on here several times about your inability to express yer englishness due to the fear of being labeled something ^ stereotypical. yer man finton does go into this topic quite respectfully. worth a watch.
yip headline miester, 3mins in and yer and yer doing a critique already? lots to be learned from that vid, particularly the Irish question.
