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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. well yeah, up here for dancing, down there for marching. trot on boy, trot on
     
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  4. Erm....it’s WTO not RTO
     
  5. deffo not TBC.
     
  6. 24 Nations have now objected to the UKs proposed WTO terms.

    Despite what the Brexidiots would have you believe, trading under WTO doesn't mean the UK can do what it wants. There are still rules and regulations that we will have to abide by.
     
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  9. Well me old dukey, the 24 are those hoping to trade with us at preferential deals, wouldn't this rather contradict your previous odes of gloom that said no one will want to trade with us??

    They are just getting their first shot in, that's how negotiations and business works, perhaps you could talk to someone again?
     
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  10. It's what we do

    We have always been friends with europe and europeans and the times we have fallen out is when a political entity has sought to control everyone in europe and no, you can go way back in the machine beyond the last two ww2's to see that

    Europe IS, despite being promised it would not, is moving forward to a central state and one where the top table will never be appointed by the people of the 28 or removed by the people of the 28. Despite people saying it would never happen, it has and the commission employed to do the work of the 28 nations, has now become the boss of the 28 nations.

    Poland can't bring in it's own supreme court judges without being threatened with having it's own country vote by the commission, removed. Italy can't set it's own budget again without the commission, not the 27, but the commission saying it is not allowed to do that.

    We as a nation have never wanted that so it's not a surprise we have said thanks but that's not a direction for us.

    As to our future, the remainers can't make their mind up. One minute we are shutting ourselves away from the world and the next minute the world will gobble us up. Perhaps we just want to try something different. I'm sure there will be some downsides in the interim but many upsides in the long run.

    A country wanting to try something different by a majority democratic vote shouldn't be seen as a entirely bad thing but more importantly it shows no matter how much the comfy triangle of media, politicians and business have everything their own way, people still have a voice and that voice can overpower those that control us if the people wish it
     
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  11. The UK will be heading in the direction of free trade without duties, against the EU being protectionist. Preventing it's farmers (in particular) from facing the cold winds of competition. I think being less protectionist will make agreeing trade deals less complicated with many like minded nations. Without the straight jacket of the EU 27 to satisfy, we can really make some good and hopefully quick progress.

    BUT, we're likely to be tied into the "implementation" period for perhaps 3 years. This is now being recognised for what it is; the negotiation of our trade agreement and that will be slow and highly challenging. An assertive, confident position in the post Brexit vote negotiations would surely have brought us to a better position that May's dreadful fudge and capitulation. This will delay and maintain uncertainty which is bad for multi nationals to make investment decisions. A short sharp shock may have been the better way.

    Just look at how keen the Japanese are for us to enter the CPTPP's 11 nation trade agreement. In the event of WTO terms with the EU, their massive trade surplus with the UK would be negatively impacted. The constriction projects I'm involved with in London use masses of high value German, Italian and Spanish products; there are other UK and world sources for these products. After the difficult transition and companies changing to suit the new market place, I can also see the UK balance of payments continuing to improve.
     
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  12. EU Labour - I've just had another parcel delivered and as usual it's a young man from one of the Eastern EU countries. When in London, the building sites and cafes are again dominated by EU citizens. They are here because we have the jobs and the wages. Will that change next year? Will they want to return to their home countries with high unemployment and lower wages. I think not.
     
  13. That's just plain silly, I know it's silly because he's never said such a thing and it reeks of the ranger used by remainers to create hate rather than report correctly . I could challenge you to show where he has ever said that both we both know you couldn't, as he has never said anything of the sort. Worthy of the Guardian though?

    Oh no we must turn down cheap food to protect the French farmers. That's ^^ the best you have? Dyson will get what his given but it will be more or less the same as now as the money we used to send overseas to the eu then came back as subsidies as though the eu was doing us a favour, will still remain in the intermediate future but our own country will be controlling it. This makes us more adaptable for our own farmers and consumers, than the empty oil tanker of the eu

    Well, he attended enough of the right meetings and that is why we are now going to be the managing our own waters with a very large preference for our own fleets and control of those we let in. I'd say, he clearly did the job right to get that result

    See, I knew you'd get it in the end :upyeah:
     
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  14. WTO rules are absolutely fine,so much so that the majority of the worlds international trade is carried out using them.
    They are called rules for a reason: no member can punish another member unfairly,that goes for post-Brexit trade between the EU and the UK too.
    Bilateral trade deals can be more advantageous than WTO,but not worse.
    Depending on whose method of calculation is used,the EU sells 8%,(EU figure),or 18%,(UK figure),of its exports to the UK,and the UK is the second biggest market for EU exports,(fractionally less than the USA).
    Of course the UK exports a lot to to the EU,but the exact figure is impossible to estimate accurately due to the,”Rotterdam Effect”,(which naturally the EU tries to minimise as it makes actual UK to EU exports look higher).
    Neither the UK nor the EU NEEDS a trade deal,they can do what almost everyone does,but it would be helpful.
    The big wins would be the removal of thousands of EU-imposed tariffs,the ability to make favourable trade deals with non-EU countries,and to unshackle ourselves from numerous unnecessary/meaningless regulations introduced by zealous Brussels bureaucracy.
    Without a deal,things will be cheaper and less complicated.
    Having a mutually advantageous deal with the EU,things will be cheaper,less complicated,witha bit less stress put on exporters in both directions.
     
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  15. I remember being told when decimilisation happened and we went from pennies, thruppeny bits and sixpences to the modern coins and notes, the world would end

    I remember when we went into the eu we were told the world would end
    I remember being told Mastricht would be the end of the world
    I remember being told unless we joined the euro we would be decimated
    I remember being told the erm when we pulled out that our world would end
    I remember being told of the Y2k computer bug and the world would end, I remember being told if we wore shell suits the world will end
    I remember being told the civilised world would end if two gay people were allowed to marry
    I see everyday, duke telling us the world will end :D

    and yet all that happened, was things are different and we still adapt and move on
     
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  16. you have become complacent, they keep crying wolf. but i bet the majority now, just smell a rat.
     
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