All my own work fin and done with genuine observations. Perhaps I can rephrase it in a way you might understand why brexit is more than just a vote to leave the eu but more importantly, the right to a voice. The eu's style fin would mean Scotland would be Catalonia and would have no legal right to a vote on independence or support from the eu The U.K.'s style means the People, had a legal right to an independence vote and which ever way it went, that vote would have been respected even if not agreed with. The eu would not have allowed this fin, the U.K. government did. Now I know you will try fannying about another vote and I will say generations but the truth is fin, in the U.K. we have more freedoms than the eu would like us to have and as proved by the brexit vote, sometimes, the peoples voices can be heard and changes can happen because of that.
All my own work fin and done with genuine observations. Perhaps I can rephrase it in a way you might understand why brexit is more than just a vote to leave the eu but more importantly, the right to a voice. . all yer own work? most impersonators say that. uk wide observations, based from yer lil corner of essex you mean?. a right to a voice?. if anybody else said that, you would call it grievance.
The eu's style fin would mean Scotland would be Catalonia and would have no legal right to a vote on independence or support from the eu yip, thats why they refused to allow you veto's and a vote to leave if and when.
The U.K.'s style means the People, had a legal right to an independence vote and which ever way it went, that vote would have been respected even if not agreed with. The eu would not have allowed this fin, the U.K. government did. ..... the followers of this loon deffo need to get out more
Now I know you will try fannying about another vote and I will say generations but the truth is fin, in the U.K. we have more freedoms than the eu would like us to have and as proved by the brexit vote, sometimes, the peoples voices can be heard and changes can happen because of that. the uk is probably the least democratic group of nations in the EU by far. FPTP, the HOL. tho franco's Spain is probably a close second.
Out of interest, have any participants on this forum changed their position? Finm is obviously still sitting on the fence with the Duke. I remain fully committed but concerned at the poor strategy and risk of being tied into legal commitments that are against our interests. The EU looks less attractive than when we voted to leave and getting into some difficult financial and political challenges ahead that will not end well. I recall some were of the opinion that we'd never leave; have they left the debate?
Still a leaver and even more so. Hopefully a deal can be found and tweaked in future years by a later government.
I haven’t contributed to this thread but have read most of it out of interest. Didn’t vote at the time as I was 50/50. Would vote leave now as I agree the EU looks less and less attractive. Not sure I really understand it all to be honest.
Still a leaver. Given what's happening internally in the eu mainland to a point even Merkel is leaving, I feel more than ever we have made the right choice. Still have concerns the remaining civil service, house of commons/lords and largely remaining government will sell us out but more assured than ever we have made the right choice. Not even the most fervent remainer could have predicted the state of the eu now, two years ago. Still cannot see the vote being acted on as a clean break unless it is wto/free trade
I'm still committed to Leave, having been persuaded to it prior to the announcement of the Referendum. Still undecided whether Chequers is a ploy by May to make No Deal acceptable to the various UK power blocs and the masses . If it is, kudos to her. If Chequers is precisely what it seems to be, and is the framework of a deal, I'll know that the political class will never relinquish their death-grip on power and furthermore, will be happy to rub the electorate's noses in it at the same time. Gonna be a lot of work ahead if it is the latter.
Always a leaver as are the majority of my crowd. I’m still expecting a stitch up but they better be prepared for a backlash if so. I have never seen such a useless bunch of politicians, god knows who I will vote for in the future. We need a new political party.
I think the whole EU referendum has shown what a waste of space the politicians are. I really think Trump was voted in because he isn’t a politician, and that the same sort of thing may well happen elsewhere.
Nope, not changed my mind at all Especially given the likes of Macron who's despised at home yet feverishly gearing himself up to be a Merkel type replacement for figurehead of the EU. Between him, Barnier and Martin Selmayr I'm afraid a future EU is not the type of political project I think we should be part of.
Daily Mail (yes THE Daily Mail) reporting today that Downing Street stopped a security investigation into Arron Banks and the source of his money in 2016.
It would probably be a pointless exercise and not in the UK's interests at this critical time with an agreement potentially close. I suspect there was wrongdoing from both camps and the fact that the Remain campaign significantly outspent the Leave campaign and that ignores the £8 million spent by the Government on the leaflet we all got telling us why we should vote to remain. I don't think the money spent made a discernible difference to the result.
