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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. pound plummets

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    Oh hang on todays rate is the same as it was 5 years ago...
     
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  2. This is because the market 5 years ago was concerned about a recession (growth in the UK had been in negative figures) - @Exige bought enough bikes to lift the country out of it fortunately ;)

    Confidence is currently low because of all the uncertainty (and because people will be hedging against the fall and investing in dollars) - once the path is clear it will rise: faster if a no exit, it will only be slower on an exit because businesses will need to adapt to trade overseas and the slow rise will reflect this transition period. interest rates will be kept low to increase spending and prevent stagnation of the economy, and we will probably see inflationary pressure from salary increases (which would normally see higher interest rates - but i don't think they will rise to slow inflation as it would jeopardise spending - i took no chances though and mortgage got fixed for 5 years)
     
    #17022 MDUBZ, Nov 15, 2018
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  3. This is the meeting where Olly Robbins (civil servant) is challenged by John Whittingdale (mp & select committee). He challenges him on claims by David Davies and his department that the unit run by Olly, kept the brexit secretary deliberately out of the loop on many things and towards the end of Whittingdale's questioning, he checks his phone to see May has effectively taken over the department leaving Raab as a journeyman and the civil service as the main control body, he even suggest the minister and the civil servant are in the wrong chairs

    17 minutes start 24:30 minutes end

     
  4. Not saying it looks bad for Theresa May but Paul Gascoine has just turned up at 10, Downing Street with a cooked chicken and a fishing rod.
     
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  5. Sly News.Always farther from the truth.
     
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  6. noobs all i see is John Whittingdale asserting an hypothesis (probably supplied by Davis), and both Raab and Robbins laughing at him. Raab didn't seem very well briefed though and the early part of the vid suggests Davis was exactly the same over promising and underdelivering. You can point fingers in every direction and find a culprit in this collective cluster fuck.
     
  7. The claims were provided by davies and some of those who worked for the brexit ministry stating that they had largely been frozen out and didn't see things they should have. The video goes onwards from 24.30 where Peter Bone puts other allegations of other things Robbins put forward under the guise of the brexit secretary that the brexit secretary had not seen.

    Raabs inexperience, remembering May appointed him when Davies left was because Raab came from ministry of housing, communities and local government, hardly experienced in brexit and I wonder if that is why May chose him

    When multiple ministers are pointing at the same obstructor, you can't keep ignoring it.
     
  8. Davis is throwing shit to see if it sticks and looking to undo some of the harm he did to himself. but agree Raab is an odd choice, the daggers have always been out and I suspect she needed someone she trusted in role, but he was clearly lacking experience (davis didn't have any either incidentally). The civil service have always run the show anyway - look at how crazy shit has gotten in the US because they can't control the president.

     
    #17029 MDUBZ, Nov 15, 2018
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  9. hmm, a project manager (salesman) doing multi national, multi million pound deals, which the average brexiteering joe probably thinks is impossible because of the EU, complaining and falling fowl of internal politics without blaming EU bureaucracy (there's a first).
    hanging out with these competitive leaches i can understand yer paranoia and permanent state of rage for being cast out, i just wish you could direct it more constructively.
     
    #17030 finm, Nov 16, 2018
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  10. 1975,
    And it's been downhill ever since.
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  11. If only we had listened then :thinkingface: £6 for Brussel Sprouts in 1975 :eek:
     
  12. Anything with the name Brussels was always going to cost the brits silly money
     
  13. Should be £60. Terrible little things.
     
  14. They are the devils clingons
     
  15. May admits that she has concerns in an LBC interview earlier. Really reassuring NOT:

    But she added: “There’s fears about the backstop and I fully recognise that and I have some of those concerns myself.”

    But after ministerial and MP resignations rocked Downing Street and the value of sterling yesterday, May said the Cabinet must bear “collective responsibility” for the deal it backed following a five-hour meeting on Wednesday, suggesting ministers won’t get a free vote when it comes to parliament before Christmas.

    “We are finalising the deal with the EU on 25 November we will then bring that deal back to parliament and then it’s time for MPs to do their job and ask themselves, ‘is this a good deal for my constituents?’” she told host Nick Ferrari.
     
  16. Sigh. Are we all supposed to be insane?

    We broke that PM.
     
  17. dinna worry, they can rebuild her.
    over the forty mins of my commute, listening to radio shortbread as i do, not a single word about fisherman, wtf? tho replced with 40mins of swooning over May from the presenters even down to the daily record jurno, this publication is about as labour as labour can be. *sigh*
     
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  18. I ask myself, what would fin do?

    Fin, our northern moss munching friend. Say you had indi 2 and whilst it's unlikely to ever happen, say the Scottish people said yes we now want independence through a democratic vote but it was a tight vote.

    at the declared end of negotiations, nic comes back and says, I've covered a lot of individual things but it does mean remaining in an agreement that would remove any legal opportunity to have the leave vote again.

    This is important as one of the down sides means effectively being in an agreement which means we will remain under the legal and economic control of the U.K., we will have no option to leave unless the U.K. agrees too and there is no end date to how long they could keep us under their rules

    What would fin say?
     
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