Look shadow, I can never sooth the bitterness in your life that you ran for local stuff and didn't make it, you need to let it go. If you run for a small loon party and the electorate decides no thank you, the that is the electorates choice, something you have from day one in this thread bemoaned democracy unless it is your version. kinda proving my point really. you do not want democracy at all unless it's your version and people you want. Your joking right? within this thread, you have been one of the most negative where as quite a few have pushed and pushed to say the U.K. is better than some think and we have an awful lot to offer and I'll not take from you, claiming others have not been positive, when you next to duke, have both been the forum Morrisseys in this thread. hopefully we will be free from the eu which should remove the apathy of or current crop of mps and within a short time-ish be unable to blame the eu. If you have none of the above as a legal choice then in many ways it promotes smaller parties but also encourages the bigger parties to not take traditional votes for granted.
Good points. I didn’t realise they were counted, and thinking about it you are correct, a none of the above doesn’t achieve anything. Im not great with words but my thinking is along the lines of how should we let the politicians know we don’t think they are doing a good job ? ( I wouldn’t want their job by the way) I see where you’re coming from about becoming a candidate to change things, but I’m thinking more along the lines of if I’m not happy with say the service from a garage I would go somewhere else - if you see what I mean.
Could you clarify your position? Only I notice that you haven't disputed anything I've just said but more that I said it.
No small parties have an equal right in politics. despite the cry, we demand to be treated equally by them, they can only BE equal if their message is not the equivalent to fluff in a belly button of a giant. Where non of the above can be good for small parties is that it provides an ability to avoid what has happened , voting for a smaller party is a waste so they vote for one of larger ones. The none of the above gives a truer political feedback option of politics today and a far better ability to register to the political elite that there is a protest vote option to all of them if they cannot find a way to make this work. In many ways, this would reduce the conventional ping pong that has gone on for decades and work more to a, I hope, a better ability to cross party involvement. In a more basic term the option to say fuck the lot of you is a kick up the arse that hasn't been there before but is desperately needed.
Blimey, one minute I'm thinking noobie and finm should get a room, and the next minute noobie and shadow ought to get in the ring for 10 rounds.......
I suppose, sticking to the garage analogy,you are kind of saying follow the mechanic that does a good job. I think it falls over here though. Not sure about voting for the person,I have been led to believe I should vote for the party - and that’s what we’re voting for. If it was the person then May should not be PM. ( and others like Brown spring to mind)
I always vote for the party, my local party mp would never get my vote, he's only there by default , because I vote for the party.
I'm late again. I think I've gleaned this from the latest exchange is that the bigger parties are more likely to be elected thru size and budget BUT local elected officials are more likely to be able to affect your issues/circumstances. Which if I've translated this properly means that the elected UK MEPs from the bigger parties have no desire/will to try and change anything in the EU (Not that the EU beaurocrats would let them anyway), so to have control over our personal/ national issues we need to regain our sovereignty where our vote could effect change. This I believe equals Brexit. TB
yip, local elections are by far and away the most important when it comes to delivering services, central gov points the direction and sets ther budget, local gov delivers within the parrameters set by central gov. unfortunatly, this is where most of the politicking, back scatching and the use of brown envolpos goes on.
depends what your options are realy. its a different ball game up here. trying to stay on top of it all while having some kind of life will blow yer mind.
The answer is to have public funded politics. Every candidate, once they show they are standing for the right reasons, gets a budget from the Treasury for their campaign. No one is allowed to spend more than their allocated budget. That way the candidate him/herself has to do all the donkey work and speak to their constituents. No one can pay for or buy a representation then.
I’d be happy to understand it all a bit better. Things I don’t get regarding EU stuff; From what I read / hear the people trying to sort out the UK leaving the EU are all people that thought we should remain, to me the politicians have made themselves look worse - in that the ones that were saying we should leave seem to have disappeared into thin air. I don’t get all the scare mongering, either way (in/out). I can’t see how it would have been that bad to stay and can’t see how it’s going to be that bad when () we leave. Which personally I don’t think will end up happening.
One thing can be said, is the establishment of business, politics and civil servants will always take care of themselves. Much of project fear was about protecting those at the top and not you and I. Europe is still trying to pull the wool over joe public's eyes in regards to who is voting. If you vote for the establishment then they claim it's the popular vote, if you do not vote for them, then you are a popularist who are little more than poorly educated and poorly skilled anarchists they declare. It seems in a move to challenge those who might not vote for the government of the day, France today has passed a law which aims to empower judges to order the immediate removal of "fake news" during election campaigns. Imagine a government having the powers to remove different views, outlooks, perspectives just by labelling them as fake news? It will be interesting to see if any eu governments follow? https://www.euronews.com/2018/11/22/france-passes-controversial-fake-news-law
Europe is still trying to pull the wool over joe public's eyes in regards to who is voting. If you vote for the establishment then they claim it's the popular vote, if you do not vote for them, then you are a popularist who are little more than poorly educated and poorly skilled anarchists they declare. ha haha haha haha ha. . t seems in a move to challenge those who might not vote for the government of the day, France today has passed a law which aims to empower judges to order the immediate removal of "fake news" during election campaigns. ha haha haha haha ha. *facepalm*. fake news, judges, not governments. .
do you know how the senior judges are selected in france fin? this may help http://thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/317562,How-judges-are-selected-across-Europe
Fake news. In who’s view. May - this allows us to take control etc etc Others - this gives all control away So which is fake? Which would the French govt remove?
