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British Indy: What Happens Now?

Discussion in 'Wasteland' started by Loz, May 23, 2015.

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  1. Full Brexit with "no EU deal" on the 29th March.

  2. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a general election and new negotiations.

  3. Request Extension to article 50 to allow cross party talks and a new deal to be put to EU.

  4. Request Extension to article 50 to allow a second referendum on 1. Remain in EU or 2. Full Brexit.

  5. Table a motion in parliament to Remain in EU WITHOUT a referendum.

  6. I don't know or I don't care anymore

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  1. If you are going to be deciding what is and isn't fake news during elections so you can ban adverts, video's, interviews etc then it helps if there is a greater gap between the sitting government and the judiciary. surely you'd support that fin?
     
  2. obviously, but impossible? gov and Parliament make laws, judges judge on the laws made by govs and Parliament, i cant think of a way of separating the two. there is always gonna be that connection.
    i would of thought at the end of the day, it would be fairly easy to judge on fake news cases. tho i can see how it would be a lil trickier with opinion pieces.(normally presented as fact).
    Nick Robinson said "he didn't answer". yes he fuggin did. end of. jail the basturt, sorted.
    i think i am right in saying that currently, gov ministers can say pretty much what they like in relation to their office during an election period without being prosecuted. referring to Carmichael v's Orkney four and french gate. pretty sure that was the technicality that got him off the hook, tho when summing up, the judge did label him a lying basturt. i agree.
     
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  3. Technically, yes, one votes for the candidate in one’s constituency but when it’s a general election I’m with @Birdie and I’d lay money the majority are voting for the party who they believe will run the country best. At that stage in the game, in most constituencies the local candidate is very much secondary. Typically, as well, the local candidate has been selected by the party and may not even be ‘local’. I don’t think telling them what you expect them to do for you will make the slightest bit of difference to them or your well-being.

    Local elections are different however, then I believe one should vote for the candidate that will best represent one’s ward, regardless of their politics.

    Just IMO.
     
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  4. LEAVER: I want an omelette.
    REMAINER: Right. It’s just we haven’t got any eggs.
    LEAVER: Yes, we have. There they are. [HE POINTS AT A CAKE]
    REMAINER: They’re in the cake.
    LEAVER: Yes, get them out of the cake, please.
    REMAINER: But we voted in 1974 to put them into a cake.
    LEAVER: Yes, but that cake has got icing on it. Nobody said there was going to be icing on it.
    REMAINER: Icing is good.
    LEAVER: And there are raisins in it. I don’t like raisins. Nobody mentioned raisins. I demand another vote.
    DAVID CAMERON ENTERS.
    DAVID CAMERON: OK.
    DAVID CAMERON SCARPERS.
    LEAVER: Right, where’s my omelette?
    REMAINER: I told you, the eggs are in the cake.
    LEAVER: Well, get them out.
    EU: It’s our cake.
    JEREMY CORBYN: Yes, get them out now.
    REMAINER: I have absolutely no idea how to get them out. Don’t you know how to get them out?
    LEAVER: Yes! You just get them out and then you make an omelette.
    REMAINER: But how?! Didn’t you give this any thought?
    LEAVER: Saboteur! You’re talking eggs down. We could make omelettes before the eggs went into the cake, so there’s no reason why we can’t make them now.
    THERESA MAY: It’s OK, I can do it.
    REMAINER: How?
    THERESA MAY: There was a vote to remove the eggs from the cake, and so the eggs will be removed from the cake.
    REMAINER: Yeah, but…
    LEAVER: Hang on, if we take the eggs out of the cake, does that mean we don’t have any cake? I didn’t say I didn’t want the cake, just the bits I don’t like.
    EU: It’s our cake.
    REMAINER: But you can’t take the eggs out of the cake and then still have a cake.
    LEAVER: You can. I saw the latest Bake Off and you can definitely make cakes without eggs in them. It’s just that they’re horrible.
    REMAINER: Fine. Take the eggs out. See what happens.
    LEAVER: It’s not my responsibility to take the eggs out. Get on with it.
    REMAINER: Why should I have to come up with some long-winded incredibly difficult chemical process to extract eggs that have bonded at the molecular level to the cake, while somehow still having the cake?
    LEAVER: You lost, get over it.
    THERESA MAY: By the way, I’ve started the clock on this.
    REMAINER: So I assume you have a plan?
    THERESA MAY: Actually, back in a bit. Just having another election.
    REMAINER: Jeremy, are you going to sort this out?
    JEREMY CORBYN: Yes. No. Maybe.
    EU: It’s our cake.
    LEAVER: Where’s my omelette? I voted for an omelette.
    REMAINER: This is ridiculous. This is never going to work. We should have another vote, or at least stop what we’re doing until we know how to get the eggs out of the cake while keeping the bits of the cake that we all like.
    LEAVER/MAY/CORBYN: WE HAD A VOTE. STOP SABOTAGING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. EGGSIT MEANS EGGSIT.
    REMAINER: Fine, I’m moving to France. The cakes are nicer there.
    LEAVER: You can’t. We’ve taken your freedom of movement.

    Finally, my personal input...Trump, Putin, Xi Jinping each offered an egg for free and we lived happily ever after....
    The powers are shifting on global level, I am concerned we are trying to sit on two chairs(EU -USA) so we might end up falling through the space between them.
     
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  6. Because the ones who said we could leave with no deal and be better off have been shown to be lying.

    That was never going to be the case and now the reality has hit, they know they could not make their promises happen, so they have slunk off into the background.
     
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  7. How have they been shown to be lying ?
     
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  8. hmm, we are gonna need a bigger forum.
     
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  9. Because they have slunk off into the background with their tails between their legs.

    If what they were saying was correct they would still be saying it but even the right wing press which started all this nonsense no longer promote leaving with no deal as they know it would be a disaster.

    More money for the NHS? Not going to happen. Countries lining up to do deals with the UK? Not happening.
     
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  10. even MAY is admitting the sum of around 350 million is correct......if we choose to put it into the NHS then so be it!
     
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  11. Cameron is the only one to have slipped away, the rest are still very much in the mix.

    Not the right wing press but more we were lied to over 40 years ago when were were told it was a trade body only and not a super state. We were lied too and there has been discontent ever since and so we had a democratic vote to decide it.

    You continue to push the U.K. failed in this respect duke because (1) you're a miserable git and (2) to try and focus things away from the real issue. The U.K. does not have a problem with europe or europeans, it has a massive problem with the eu commission and the direction they are going in.

    You focus on the U.K. because not too, would mean looking at the eu and the other 27 and the other 27 have massive issues with the eu commission, look at any european media.
     
  12. Cameron (wasn't he saying we should stay?) slunk off when he didn't get what he wanted, probably others too.

    I find it hard to believe that when we leave it will be a disaster, can't see the rest of the world refusing to trade with us because we are no longer part of the EU.
     
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  13. leaving aside what side you are on.

    The idea the U.K. will now deal with everyone where as before it was locked into many eu markets but can now choose from anyone to give money too and countries/companies outside of the eu will say, 5th largest economy in the world ans a world player that buys more than it sells? naah I'll think I'll give it a miss, is the idiocy of silly peoples.

    The eu's biggest fear is that we will do well, and we will so that will leave 2 holes in their budget. The yearly £13 billion contributions plus our money that was being spent on eu products, now being spent on non eu products
     
  14. Its not about the rest of the world not wanting to trade with us, no doubt they will but it will be about what we can do for them reather than the other way round.

    So many people do not understand what either free trade nor ease of importing and exporting of goods means and how it works and how, if you remove that, not only does everything become more expensive but also in some goods would be impossible to import and export as the time constraints introduced due to customs checks would mean it no longer viable. And that is approx 50% of ALL UK imports and exports.
     
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  15. Oh nooooo how do those other 167 countries not in the eu ever cope arggghhhhhhhhhh

    From the oec, we spend on goods coming in $609 billion, if you listen to duke, no one out of the eu is interested in any slices of that pie

    https://atlas.media.mit.edu/en/profile/country/gbr/
     
  16. Is Gibraltar being handed over to Spain?
     
  17. never !
     
  18. Why do you say never?
     
  19. If we "took back control" how comes there is a "remainer" leading the negotiations?
    It would have been more fair to see Boris, Nigel, R. Mogg implementing the article 52.
    TBH I was very dissapointed with TM but thinking deeper into the daunting task of fine balancing between keeping the businesses, leavers, remainers happy it seems whoever would be there we would be more and less in the same position.
     
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